1985 240DL driveability

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by user, Sep 3, 2003.

  1. user

    user Guest

    Thanks for the replies to my query earlier. This concerns a 1985 240 DL USA
    Federal spec B230F. I've done some more research on this system and it
    appears that the ignition and injection systems are completely detached; the
    only connection is an ignition primary signal from the ignition control
    module to the ECM. Since my car backfires loudly and loses power it appears
    that it gets so far out of time that it's igniting unburned fuel in the
    exhaust. Sometimes when it dies it acts like it's running backwards before
    it kills completely.
    I checked the ignition control module--it's one with a vacuum diaphragm on
    it, and the diaphragm is torn. (much better design than I imagined...it
    appears that the diaphragm operates a variable inductor--this wouldn't wear
    out like a variable resistor) I put some cyanoacrylate (crazy) glue on the
    diaphragm, and it seems to run a little better, although with less power!?
    But I'm sure this won't last, and I'm wondering if anyone has had experience
    replacing this part. I'm guessing all used ones are in similar shape. I'm
    also wondering what experiences people have had with the distributors. Do
    the hall sensors fail intermittently? What kind of luck can you expect if
    you replace the distributor with the old kind with vacuum advance on the
    distributor? I really don't want to do that, since it's a major step
    backwards technologically, but if it's going to cost hundreds to fix this
    car it belongs in the scrap yard.
    Another question: Once on my old car I had to replace the o-rings for the
    overdrive pistons(sluggish, late shift) and the only way you could get these
    parts from Volvo was to buy new, larger rings with new pistons with larger
    grooves. (Thanks, Volvo, the originals lasted 200,000 miles, don't really
    need more expensive replacements that'll last 300k)
    Thanks again.
     
    user, Sep 3, 2003
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  2. user

    James Sweet Guest

    The hall sensors do occasionally fail, though when they do the engine
    usually just dies. If the ignition control module is the problem you should
    be able to get a good used one for under $50. Ideally you'd find someone
    else with an '85 240 and try swapping some parts to diagnose the problem.
     
    James Sweet, Sep 3, 2003
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  3. user

    volvowrench Guest

    by user dropped his wrench, scratched his head and
    mumbled,
    The Chrysler lean burn circuitry does little more than push the advance
    to 52 degrees BTDC and then retard it in 19 degree steps until pinging
    ceases to occur as measured by the knock sensor. If the hose to the
    vacuum transducer is removed and plugged the control unit generates a
    fairly conventional spark advance curve, when observed on a chassis dyno.
    Regardless of how heavy your foot is this will have negligible effect on
    your fuel mileage. It will however seriously reduce your NOx emissions (a
    good thing).

    If testing the dwell shows a reading of 60 degrees or so increasing with
    rpm to somewhere in the seventies the control unit is operating
    correctly. If the dwell is accurate and the timing does not retard 5
    degrees and then advance smoothly to 36-39 degrees BTDC then I would
    suspect a bad component on the control unit PCB. Since the entire unit is
    encased in clear silicone rubber, replacement is the only practical
    option. If you find a used unit with the same part number be sure to
    check that the contact pins for the small black, yellow and green wires
    from the distributor have the same sleeves as your old one and that the
    used one and yours employ the same harness plug.

    Bob
     
    volvowrench, Sep 3, 2003
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