1990 240 doesn't want to start anymore

1990 240 auto, 90,000 miles. bought the car 4 months ago and drove
3,000 miles with it.

Car was starting fine except I noticed a few times I would turn the
key and nothing would happen except all the lights in the instrument
panel would come on as well as the headlight (just like a normal
start). It seldom happened. Usually I would turn the key off and on
and then it would start. But it happened like once a month.
Yesterday I drove 4 hours on highway, then stop 1 1/2 hour and when I
tried to start it, it was not working. I simply turned the key in the
off position and then turned the key to start it and it worked.

Today I drove a few miles and turned off the engine. When I started a
few minutes later, at first it didn't want to start. I tried and
tried, by rotating the key from the off position to the start position
and then it did start. As soon as I arrived home (a few miles), I
stop the car and then tried to start it again and it did not start.

I waited a few hours and tried again and it didn't start. There is
nothing wrong with the fuses, nor the battery.

If you could make a suggestion as to where I should look, I would be
extremely grateful.

Thanks in advance.

Someone wrote:
> 1990 240 auto, 90,000 miles. bought the car 4 months ago and drove
> 3,000 miles with it.
>
> Car was starting fine except I noticed a few times I would turn the
> key and nothing would happen except all the lights in the instrument
> panel would come on as well as the headlight (just like a normal
> start). It seldom happened. Usually I would turn the key off and on
> and then it would start. But it happened like once a month.
> Yesterday I drove 4 hours on highway, then stop 1 1/2 hour and when I
> tried to start it, it was not working. I simply turned the key in the
> off position and then turned the key to start it and it worked.
>
> Today I drove a few miles and turned off the engine. When I started a
> few minutes later, at first it didn't want to start. I tried and
> tried, by rotating the key from the off position to the start position
> and then it did start. As soon as I arrived home (a few miles), I
> stop the car and then tried to start it again and it did not start.
>
> I waited a few hours and tried again and it didn't start. There is
> nothing wrong with the fuses, nor the battery.
>
> If you could make a suggestion as to where I should look, I would be
> extremely grateful.
>
> Thanks in advance.


Wiggle the shifter, assuming this is an automatic, then try to start it.

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:04:13 -0700, James Sweet
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Someone wrote:
>> 1990 240 auto, 90,000 miles. bought the car 4 months ago and drove
>> 3,000 miles with it.
>>
>> Car was starting fine except I noticed a few times I would turn the
>> key and nothing would happen except all the lights in the instrument
>> panel would come on as well as the headlight (just like a normal
>> start). It seldom happened. Usually I would turn the key off and on
>> and then it would start. But it happened like once a month.
>> Yesterday I drove 4 hours on highway, then stop 1 1/2 hour and when I
>> tried to start it, it was not working. I simply turned the key in the
>> off position and then turned the key to start it and it worked.
>>
>> Today I drove a few miles and turned off the engine. When I started a
>> few minutes later, at first it didn't want to start. I tried and
>> tried, by rotating the key from the off position to the start position
>> and then it did start. As soon as I arrived home (a few miles), I
>> stop the car and then tried to start it again and it did not start.
>>
>> I waited a few hours and tried again and it didn't start. There is
>> nothing wrong with the fuses, nor the battery.
>>
>> If you could make a suggestion as to where I should look, I would be
>> extremely grateful.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>Wiggle the shifter, assuming this is an automatic, then try to start it.

Yes, it is an auto, but wiggling the shifter as well moving it in all
the gears and then trying does not help.

Is there a solenoid or something like that? My friend who had a early
90's Audi told me that she had teh same problem and after the dealer
changed tehstarter, etc. they found out it was a solenoid (or a name
similar to that). Except it cost her $700 before they find out.

I would appreciate all suggestions as to what to try next.

Someone wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:04:13 -0700, James Sweet
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Someone wrote:
>>> 1990 240 auto, 90,000 miles. bought the car 4 months ago and drove
>>> 3,000 miles with it.
>>>
>>> Car was starting fine except I noticed a few times I would turn the
>>> key and nothing would happen except all the lights in the instrument
>>> panel would come on as well as the headlight (just like a normal
>>> start). It seldom happened. Usually I would turn the key off and on
>>> and then it would start. But it happened like once a month.
>>> Yesterday I drove 4 hours on highway, then stop 1 1/2 hour and when I
>>> tried to start it, it was not working. I simply turned the key in the
>>> off position and then turned the key to start it and it worked.
>>>
>>> Today I drove a few miles and turned off the engine. When I started a
>>> few minutes later, at first it didn't want to start. I tried and
>>> tried, by rotating the key from the off position to the start position
>>> and then it did start. As soon as I arrived home (a few miles), I
>>> stop the car and then tried to start it again and it did not start.
>>>
>>> I waited a few hours and tried again and it didn't start. There is
>>> nothing wrong with the fuses, nor the battery.
>>>
>>> If you could make a suggestion as to where I should look, I would be
>>> extremely grateful.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Wiggle the shifter, assuming this is an automatic, then try to start it.
>
> Yes, it is an auto, but wiggling the shifter as well moving it in all
> the gears and then trying does not help.
>
> Is there a solenoid or something like that? My friend who had a early
> 90's Audi told me that she had teh same problem and after the dealer
> changed tehstarter, etc. they found out it was a solenoid (or a name
> similar to that). Except it cost her $700 before they find out.
>
> I would appreciate all suggestions as to what to try next.

Its not so common these days, but yes it could be a sticky solenoid or
dry engaging fork the big round thing on the side of the starter, its a
big relay and drives the gear to the engine. Standard practice is light
tapping with a hammer on the solenoid or use the handle of the hammer.
Don't hit it too hard with the metal end of the hammer, you might dent
the casing. Also watch out you don't hit or short the live feed.

--
Tony

>
>Its not so common these days, but yes it could be a sticky solenoid or
>dry engaging fork the big round thing on the side of the starter, its a
>big relay and drives the gear to the engine. Standard practice is light
>tapping with a hammer on the solenoid or use the handle of the hammer.
>Don't hit it too hard with the metal end of the hammer, you might dent
>the casing. Also watch out you don't hit or short the live feed.

I stopped by the indep. garage I go to and they said that there is a
90%probability that it is the starter. Does that makes sense?

>Its not so common these days, but yes it could be a sticky solenoid or
>dry engaging fork the big round thing on the side of the starter, its a
>big relay and drives the gear to the engine. Standard practice is light
>tapping with a hammer on the solenoid or use the handle of the hammer.
>Don't hit it too hard with the metal end of the hammer, you might dent
>the casing. Also watch out you don't hit or short the live feed.

I tried the best I could what you suggested, but it doesn't seem to
work. Or I'm incompetent, lol!

At the garage, should I tell them to change the solenoid first or go
with the starter if this is what they wish to change?

Thanks.

>Its not so common these days, but yes it could be a sticky solenoid or
>dry engaging fork the big round thing on the side of the starter, its a
>big relay and drives the gear to the engine. Standard practice is light
>tapping with a hammer on the solenoid or use the handle of the hammer.
>Don't hit it too hard with the metal end of the hammer, you might dent
>the casing. Also watch out you don't hit or short the live feed.

One more thing, I also own a 93 240. Are there parts you would
suggest me to switch just to see what happens?

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
Someone <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> >Its not so common these days, but yes it could be a sticky solenoid
> >or dry engaging fork the big round thing on the side of the starter,
> >its a big relay and drives the gear to the engine. Standard
> >practice is light tapping with a hammer on the solenoid or use the
> >handle of the hammer. Don't hit it too hard with the metal end of
> >the hammer, you might dent the casing. Also watch out you don't hit
> >or short the live feed.
>
> I tried the best I could what you suggested, but it doesn't seem to
> work. Or I'm incompetent, lol!
>
> At the garage, should I tell them to change the solenoid first or go
> with the starter if this is what they wish to change?
>
> Thanks.

Have them test first, find out what's wrong and call you with the
results to see what you want to do. Don't just tell them to do
something.

Could be the starter solenoid, could be the ignition lockout from the
transmission, could be the ignition switch, could be a loose wire
somewhere, could be corrosion on the fuse terminals, could be the...

>
> Yes, it is an auto, but wiggling the shifter as well moving it in all
> the gears and then trying does not help.
>
> Is there a solenoid or something like that? My friend who had a early
> 90's Audi told me that she had teh same problem and after the dealer
> changed tehstarter, etc. they found out it was a solenoid (or a name
> similar to that). Except it cost her $700 before they find out.
>
> I would appreciate all suggestions as to what to try next.


There is an interlock switch in the shifter assembly that allows it to
be started only in P or N, this can wear out or get out of adjustment.

The ignition switches fail from time to time, it's not common but it
does happen.

Starters fail, the solenoid is part of the starter, it's not hard to
test but you'll need a test light or multimeter and an assistant to turn
the key.

I've also seen battery cables fail, the big one from the battery to a
starter, haven't seen it on a Volvo, but it could happen.

Someone wrote:
>> Its not so common these days, but yes it could be a sticky solenoid or
>> dry engaging fork the big round thing on the side of the starter, its a
>> big relay and drives the gear to the engine. Standard practice is light
>> tapping with a hammer on the solenoid or use the handle of the hammer.
>> Don't hit it too hard with the metal end of the hammer, you might dent
>> the casing. Also watch out you don't hit or short the live feed.
>
> I tried the best I could what you suggested, but it doesn't seem to
> work. Or I'm incompetent, lol!
>
> At the garage, should I tell them to change the solenoid first or go
> with the starter if this is what they wish to change?
>
> Thanks.


The solenoid and the starter are one piece, they can't be replaced
separately.


Starter from any 200, 700, or 900 series Volvo with a 4 cylinder engine
from 1975 to 1994 will bolt right in. There are two different styles,
but they both fit.