1995 440 Tried to start - loud bang - now nothing ??

Hi

First post on here.

Went to start the 440 this morning, it tried to start as normal then
after about a second there was a loud bang. Now it won't do
anything.

I know *nothing* really about cars. I have someone coming out later to
look at it but just wanted any ideas of what could have happened/how
serious this is.

I'm praying its something simple but as always expecting the
worst : )

TIA

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> Hi
>
> First post on here.
>
> Went to start the 440 this morning, it tried to start as normal then
> after about a second there was a loud bang. Now it won't do
> anything.
>
> I know *nothing* really about cars. I have someone coming out later to
> look at it but just wanted any ideas of what could have happened/how
> serious this is.
>
> I'm praying its something simple but as always expecting the
> worst : )
>
> TIA
>


Doesn't even turn over, or turns over and doesn't fire? If it still
turns over, maybe moisture got in the distributor cap? If it doesn't,
the engine may be hydrolocked or something. What motor is in a 440?

On 11 Feb, 07:56, James Sweet <jamesswe...@trashmail.net> wrote:
> ivandurn...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Hi
>
> > First post on here.
>
> > Went to start the 440 this morning, it tried to start as normal then
> > after about a second *there was a loud bang. Now it won't do
> > anything.
>
> > I know *nothing* really about cars. I have someone coming out later to
> > look at it but just wanted any ideas of what could have happened/how
> > serious this is.
>
> > I'm praying its something simple but as always expecting the
> > worst * *: )
>
> > TIA
>
> Doesn't even turn over, or turns over and doesn't fire? If it still
> turns over, maybe moisture got in the distributor cap? If it doesn't,
> the engine may be hydrolocked or something. What motor is in a 440?- Hidequoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks.

Doesn't even turn over : (

On Feb 11, 1:52*am, ivandurn...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi
>
> First post on here.
>
> Went to start the 440 this morning, it tried to start as normal then
> after about a second *there was a loud bang. Now it won't do
> anything.
>
> I know *nothing* really about cars. I have someone coming out later to
> look at it but just wanted any ideas of what could have happened/how
> serious this is.
>
> I'm praying its something simple but as always expecting the
> worst * *: )
>
> TIA

And what is battery voltage are cables recently cleaned, try a jump

On Feb 12, 10:39*am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 1:52*am, ivandurn...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi
>
> > First post on here.
>
> > Went to start the 440 this morning, it tried to start as normal then
> > after about a second *there was a loud bang. Now it won't do
> > anything.
>
> > I know *nothing* really about cars. I have someone coming out later to
> > look at it but just wanted any ideas of what could have happened/how
> > serious this is.
>
> > I'm praying its something simple but as always expecting the
> > worst * *: )
>
> > TIA
>
> And what is battery voltage are cables recently cleaned, try a jump- Hidequoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Thanks for replies.

Kind of embarassing. The guy came out to look at it and what do you
know it started up fine ! He checked everything over and couldn't find
anything obvious wrong. Has been very very wet here the last few days
- I'm guessing it was something to do with that.

Least it didn't cost me anything.

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> On Feb 12, 10:39 am, ransley <Mark_Rans...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 11, 1:52 am, ivandurn...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi
>>
>> > First post on here.
>>
>> > Went to start the 440 this morning, it tried to start as normal then
>> > after about a second there was a loud bang. Now it won't do
>> > anything.
>>
>> > I know *nothing* really about cars. I have someone coming out later to
>> > look at it but just wanted any ideas of what could have happened/how
>> > serious this is.
>>
>> > I'm praying its something simple but as always expecting the
>> > worst : )
>>
>> > TIA
>>
>> And what is battery voltage are cables recently cleaned, try a jump- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> Thanks for replies.
>
> Kind of embarassing. The guy came out to look at it and what do you
> know it started up fine ! He checked everything over and couldn't find
> anything obvious wrong. Has been very very wet here the last few days
> - I'm guessing it was something to do with that.
>
> Least it didn't cost me anything.

That's good news.

fwiw, the loud bang is fuel igniting in the air box.
Don't touch with the gas pedal while trying to start it.
Fuel injected motors (when they're working right) do all the fuel stuff
automatically.
Pump the gas, risk blowing off a intake hose or the air box.

(Tip I learned here, years ago) Instead of cranking and cranking
continuously, let it turn over a couple times, stop, then try again.
The fuel system needs pressure in order for all the systems to work.
Older fuel injection systems, the pressure bleeds down when the car
sits. Try to start it with no pressure and the ignition doesn't get the
signal to spark.
Turn it over a couple times to get the pressure up. Now all the sensors
are happy. You get spark next time you turn it over and it fires right up.

>
> That's good news.
>
> fwiw, the loud bang is fuel igniting in the air box.
> Don't touch with the gas pedal while trying to start it.
> Fuel injected motors (when they're working right) do all the fuel stuff
> automatically.
> Pump the gas, risk blowing off a intake hose or the air box.
>
> (Tip I learned here, years ago) Instead of cranking and cranking
> continuously, let it turn over a couple times, stop, then try again.
> The fuel system needs pressure in order for all the systems to work.
> Older fuel injection systems, the pressure bleeds down when the car
> sits. Try to start it with no pressure and the ignition doesn't get the
> signal to spark.
> Turn it over a couple times to get the pressure up. Now all the sensors
> are happy. You get spark next time you turn it over and it fires right up.



I've had a loud bang caused by moisture in the distributor causing
unburned fuel vapor to build up in the exhaust system. I've seen it
split a muffler open. I had a spark plug wire fall off on my 240T once
at nearly full throttle, the backfires sounded like gunshots and the
thrust bent the tailpipe.

James Sweet wrote:
>
>>
>> That's good news.
>>
>> fwiw, the loud bang is fuel igniting in the air box.
>> Don't touch with the gas pedal while trying to start it.
>> Fuel injected motors (when they're working right) do all the fuel
>> stuff automatically.
>> Pump the gas, risk blowing off a intake hose or the air box.
>>
>> (Tip I learned here, years ago) Instead of cranking and cranking
>> continuously, let it turn over a couple times, stop, then try again.
>> The fuel system needs pressure in order for all the systems to work.
>> Older fuel injection systems, the pressure bleeds down when the car
>> sits. Try to start it with no pressure and the ignition doesn't get
>> the signal to spark.
>> Turn it over a couple times to get the pressure up. Now all the
>> sensors are happy. You get spark next time you turn it over and it
>> fires right up.
>
>
>
> I've had a loud bang caused by moisture in the distributor causing
> unburned fuel vapor to build up in the exhaust system. I've seen it
> split a muffler open. I had a spark plug wire fall off on my 240T once
> at nearly full throttle, the backfires sounded like gunshots and the
> thrust bent the tailpipe.


Thats right.
A backfire in the air box is more of a whump than a gunshot.

Click off the ignition for a second while traveling through a tunnel.
The bang is impressive.

Never had much trouble with the plug wire fell off thing. They go on
with a click and a twist... But, if you forget to twist it the boot can
push it off.

Back when I raced boats, only times we had anything like that was when
the electrode squirted out of the plug (16.5:1 will do that) and once
the engine builders helper left the rubber grommet out of the plug
socket on a plug and pushed the boot down over it.

Burned more than a few wires flopping around on the headers though.

Or the mag isn't tight enough, the motor gets real retarded and melts
the headers (and any body parts nearby) from all the raw fuel dumping in
them and burning.

I miss racing...

clay wrote:
> James Sweet wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's good news.
>>>
>>> fwiw, the loud bang is fuel igniting in the air box.
>>> Don't touch with the gas pedal while trying to start it.
>>> Fuel injected motors (when they're working right) do all the fuel
>>> stuff automatically.
>>> Pump the gas, risk blowing off a intake hose or the air box.
>>>
>>> (Tip I learned here, years ago) Instead of cranking and cranking
>>> continuously, let it turn over a couple times, stop, then try again.
>>> The fuel system needs pressure in order for all the systems to work.
>>> Older fuel injection systems, the pressure bleeds down when the car
>>> sits. Try to start it with no pressure and the ignition doesn't get
>>> the signal to spark.
>>> Turn it over a couple times to get the pressure up. Now all the
>>> sensors are happy. You get spark next time you turn it over and it
>>> fires right up.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've had a loud bang caused by moisture in the distributor causing
>> unburned fuel vapor to build up in the exhaust system. I've seen it
>> split a muffler open. I had a spark plug wire fall off on my 240T once
>> at nearly full throttle, the backfires sounded like gunshots and the
>> thrust bent the tailpipe.
>
>
> Thats right.
> A backfire in the air box is more of a whump than a gunshot.
>
> Click off the ignition for a second while traveling through a tunnel.
> The bang is impressive.
>
> Never had much trouble with the plug wire fell off thing. They go on
> with a click and a twist... But, if you forget to twist it the boot can
> push it off.
>
> Back when I raced boats, only times we had anything like that was when
> the electrode squirted out of the plug (16.5:1 will do that) and once
> the engine builders helper left the rubber grommet out of the plug
> socket on a plug and pushed the boot down over it.
>
> Burned more than a few wires flopping around on the headers though.
>
> Or the mag isn't tight enough, the motor gets real retarded and melts
> the headers (and any body parts nearby) from all the raw fuel dumping in
> them and burning.
>
> I miss racing...

I had a 340 1.7 (similar engine but carbarettor). When it was oldish
(100K miles /10 years) it started to have real trouble running alot of
the time, stalling when pulling out of junctions (classic sign of weak
spark). Problem was due to oil in the distributor, and the disti/cam
seal had worn a lip/dent on the cam. Solution was to move the cam seal
up a bit and install flush with the surface rather than all the way in
(maunal actually said flush too). However this didn't seem to work
indefinately and with other leakings and carb problems I scrapped it
eventually.

My 940 has a similar problem with oil in the disti, but much less severe
(there are 2 seals), it is responsible for a slight hesitation and some
MPG loss. I have been trying to change the seal in it for some time,
but need a special tool.

I have hence condemned all engines with head end distis as unreliable
(although the 940 soldiers on, the 340 wouldn't run).

I'm fairly sure this 440 will have the same bits at the 340.

--
Tony

Tony wrote:
> clay wrote:
>> James Sweet wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's good news.
>>>>
>>>> fwiw, the loud bang is fuel igniting in the air box.
>>>> Don't touch with the gas pedal while trying to start it.
>>>> Fuel injected motors (when they're working right) do all the fuel
>>>> stuff automatically.
>>>> Pump the gas, risk blowing off a intake hose or the air box.
>>>>
>>>> (Tip I learned here, years ago) Instead of cranking and cranking
>>>> continuously, let it turn over a couple times, stop, then try again.
>>>> The fuel system needs pressure in order for all the systems to work.
>>>> Older fuel injection systems, the pressure bleeds down when the car
>>>> sits. Try to start it with no pressure and the ignition doesn't get
>>>> the signal to spark.
>>>> Turn it over a couple times to get the pressure up. Now all the
>>>> sensors are happy. You get spark next time you turn it over and it
>>>> fires right up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've had a loud bang caused by moisture in the distributor causing
>>> unburned fuel vapor to build up in the exhaust system. I've seen it
>>> split a muffler open. I had a spark plug wire fall off on my 240T
>>> once at nearly full throttle, the backfires sounded like gunshots and
>>> the thrust bent the tailpipe.
>>
>>
>> Thats right.
>> A backfire in the air box is more of a whump than a gunshot.
>>
>> Click off the ignition for a second while traveling through a tunnel.
>> The bang is impressive.
>>
>> Never had much trouble with the plug wire fell off thing. They go on
>> with a click and a twist... But, if you forget to twist it the boot
>> can push it off.
>>
>> Back when I raced boats, only times we had anything like that was when
>> the electrode squirted out of the plug (16.5:1 will do that) and once
>> the engine builders helper left the rubber grommet out of the plug
>> socket on a plug and pushed the boot down over it.
>>
>> Burned more than a few wires flopping around on the headers though.
>>
>> Or the mag isn't tight enough, the motor gets real retarded and melts
>> the headers (and any body parts nearby) from all the raw fuel dumping
>> in them and burning.
>>
>> I miss racing...
>
> I had a 340 1.7 (similar engine but carbarettor). When it was oldish
> (100K miles /10 years) it started to have real trouble running alot of
> the time, stalling when pulling out of junctions (classic sign of weak
> spark). Problem was due to oil in the distributor, and the disti/cam
> seal had worn a lip/dent on the cam. Solution was to move the cam seal
> up a bit and install flush with the surface rather than all the way in
> (maunal actually said flush too). However this didn't seem to work
> indefinately and with other leakings and carb problems I scrapped it
> eventually.
>
> My 940 has a similar problem with oil in the disti, but much less severe
> (there are 2 seals), it is responsible for a slight hesitation and some
> MPG loss. I have been trying to change the seal in it for some time,
> but need a special tool.
>
> I have hence condemned all engines with head end distis as unreliable
> (although the 940 soldiers on, the 340 wouldn't run).
>
> I'm fairly sure this 440 will have the same bits at the 340.
>
> --
> Tony


There's a LOT of 700/900 cars running around with the head mounted
distributor. Mine works fine and doesn't leak there, despite being 22
years old with nearly 300K on it. I did have to replace the o-ring at
one point.