S70 groaning, but not on full turn

My 1998 S70 T5 makes groaning sounds when turning to the left and
right, usually into parking spaces. I don't even have to go to a full
turn to get the sound. Also, going a full turn is more difficult, and
I think there actually is some rubbing on the tops of the tires.

Is this a suspension issue? Over the years, I've upgraded the shocks
and replaced the spring seats a couple times, and each of those times
required the springs to be compressed a good amount. Would all these
compressions reduce the lifetime of the springs, or could this be a
shock issue or something else? Incidentally, how long do stock shocks
last?

mchiu kirjoitti:
> My 1998 S70 T5 makes groaning sounds when turning to the left and
> right, usually into parking spaces. I don't even have to go to a full
> turn to get the sound. Also, going a full turn is more difficult, and
> I think there actually is some rubbing on the tops of the tires.
>
> Is this a suspension issue? Over the years, I've upgraded the shocks
> and replaced the spring seats a couple times, and each of those times
> required the springs to be compressed a good amount. Would all these
> compressions reduce the lifetime of the springs, or could this be a
> shock issue or something else? Incidentally, how long do stock shocks
> last?


Hi

This sound like steering. Front wheel drive limiting turning cicle so
much that it will go all the way to far ends. Then it's make sqiizie
sound at the end of turning limit. It also can rub to some suspension
parts. Check inside front wheels and all suspension parts for wearing.
Also possible You bought too wide tires.


Tero
Finland

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
mchiu <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> My 1998 S70 T5 makes groaning sounds when turning to the left and
> right, usually into parking spaces. I don't even have to go to a full
> turn to get the sound. Also, going a full turn is more difficult, and
> I think there actually is some rubbing on the tops of the tires.
>
> Is this a suspension issue? Over the years, I've upgraded the shocks
> and replaced the spring seats a couple times, and each of those times
> required the springs to be compressed a good amount. Would all these
> compressions reduce the lifetime of the springs, or could this be a
> shock issue or something else? Incidentally, how long do stock shocks
> last?

I don't know about your exact symptoms - but the usual cure for groaning on
full lock is to grease the lock-stops. These are fat metal 'fingers' on each
swivel assembly (one per side) which come up against nylon pads on ful lock.
These have to be able to slide on the nylon, as the suspension moves up and
down. If they get dry, you get the groaning noise. A quick smear of grease
on the nylon pads fixes the problem in less than 5 minutes.
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Cheers,
Roger
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I get the sound before getting to a full lock. There is also
resistance when trying to go to a full lock, like when doing a u-
turn.

I have had my tires for several years, and I haven't had a problem
before. I think I am using the same stock 16 inch size. The reason I
think there is rubbing is because directly above the top of the wheel,
when I rub my fingers on the wheelwell, I can feel some rubber that I
can scrape off. I don't have that anywhere else in the front wheelwell
or in the rear.

Mike

On Sep 9, 2:03*am, "Roger Mills" <watt.ty...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>
> mchiu <mikec...@overlunch.com> *wrote:
> > My 1998 S70 T5 makes groaning sounds when turning to the left and
> > right, usually into parking spaces. I don't even have to go to a full
> > turn to get the sound. Also, going a full turn is more difficult, and
> > I think there actually is some rubbing on the tops of the tires.
>
> > Is this a suspension issue? Over the years, I've upgraded the shocks
> > and replaced the spring seats a couple times, and each of those times
> > required the springs to be compressed a good amount. Would all these
> > compressions reduce the lifetime of the springs, or could this be a
> > shock issue or something else? Incidentally, how long do stock shocks
> > last?
>
> I don't know about your exact symptoms - but the usual cure for groaning on
> full lock is to grease the lock-stops. These are fat metal 'fingers' on each
> swivel assembly (one per side) which come up against nylon pads on ful lock.
> These have to be able to slide on the nylon, as the suspension moves up and
> down. If they get dry, you get the groaning noise. A quick smear of grease
> on the nylon pads fixes the problem in less than 5 minutes.
> --
> Cheers,
> Roger
> ______
> Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly
> monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks.
> PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP!

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
mchiu <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I get the sound before getting to a full lock. There is also
> resistance when trying to go to a full lock, like when doing a u-
> turn.
>
Does this happen with both left and right turns, or only in one direction?
If only one, I wonder whether something has happened to the lock-stop -
allowing you to turn *beyond* full lock. That could well result in greater
resistance from the steering rack - and also allow the tyre to rub against
the wheel-arch.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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both directions groan, and both tires have what is probably the rub.

On Sep 10, 8:15*am, "Roger Mills" <watt.ty...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>
> mchiu <mikec...@overlunch.com> *wrote:
> > I get the sound before getting to a full lock. There is also
> > resistance when trying to go to a full lock, like when doing a u-
> > turn.
>
> Does this happen with both left and right turns, or only in one direction?
> If only one, I wonder whether something has happened to the lock-stop -
> allowing you to turn *beyond* full lock. That could well result in greater
> resistance from the steering rack - and also allow the tyre to rub against
> the wheel-arch.
> --
> Cheers,
> Roger
> ______
> Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly
> monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks.
> PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP!

"mchiu" <(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i en meddelelse
news:81116cdf-05ec-43f1-8491-(E-Mail Removed)...
> My 1998 S70 T5 makes groaning sounds when turning to the left and
> right, usually into parking spaces. I don't even have to go to a full
> turn to get the sound. Also, going a full turn is more difficult, and
> I think there actually is some rubbing on the tops of the tires.
>

It's probably the bearings at the top of the Struts that have gone bad,
they can easily make the noise you describe, especially at very low
speed.
Rub of the tires is easy to determine, just take a look in your
fenderwells, there'll be a clear spot where/if the tyre makes contact -
I know because my tires rub the fenderwell at full turn.
--
Brian Sørup
Volvo V70 2,5T Aut.

On Sep 8, 4:00*pm, mchiu <mikec...@overlunch.com> wrote:
> My 1998 S70 T5 makes groaning sounds when turning to the left and
> right, usually into parking spaces. I don't even have to go to a full
> turn to get the sound. Also, going a full turn is more difficult, and
> I think there actually is some rubbing on the tops of the tires.
>
> Is this a suspension issue? Over the years, I've upgraded the shocks
> and replaced the spring seats a couple times, and each of those times
> required the springs to be compressed a good amount. Would all these
> compressions reduce the lifetime of the springs, or could this be a
> shock issue or something else? Incidentally, how long do stock shocks
> last?

Hey mchiu, we had similar problem on our S60 and found that there was
a leak in the steerling fluid container (or whatever its called) make
sure you have enough fluids, if not top off and find leak... ours was
the actual container.

On Sep 11, 7:41*am, Syversens <syversen.fam...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 4:00*pm, mchiu <mikec...@overlunch.com> wrote:
>
> > My 1998 S70 T5 makes groaning sounds when turning to the left and
> > right, usually into parking spaces. I don't even have to go to a full
> > turn to get the sound. Also, going a full turn is more difficult, and
> > I think there actually is some rubbing on the tops of the tires.
>
> > Is this a suspension issue? Over the years, I've upgraded the shocks
> > and replaced the spring seats a couple times, and each of those times
> > required the springs to be compressed a good amount. Would all these
> > compressions reduce the lifetime of the springs, or could this be a
> > shock issue or something else? Incidentally, how long do stock shocks
> > last?
>
> Hey mchiu, we had similar problem on our S60 and found that there was
> a leak in the steerling fluid container (or whatever its called) make
> sure you have enough fluids, if not top off and find leak... ours was
> the actual container.

I check the power steering fluid a while ago when I first started
researching the problem. I was above the line, but I guess it can't
hurt to add a lot more just in case. As the sounds has probably been
more prevalent, I guess I will check again.

And about the bearings, can these be replaced w/o taking out the
springs and shocks?

Thanks to everyone,
Mike

"mchiu" <(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i en meddelelse
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On Sep 11, 7:41 am, Syversens <syversen.fam...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 4:00 pm, mchiu <mikec...@overlunch.com> wrote:
>
>
>And about the bearings, can these be replaced w/o taking out the
>springs and shocks?

Nope....
--
Brian Sørup
Volvo V70 2,5T Aut.