1983 Volvo 240DL manual overdrive question

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by nojinx, Oct 4, 2003.

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    nojinx Guest

    When I recently got my '83 240 DL with manual transmission, I was told
    it was "only a 4-speed."I got it through an agent for elderly owners
    who would not be able to provide accurate information.


    It has the button for overdrive on the gearshift lever. Although it
    does not function when pressed, does that mean that it should? It
    doesn't seem likely that it would be there if there had been no option
    for its use, as in cars that have, for lack of a better term, "dummy"
    spaces for options they don't have.

    I have tried shifting it into 4th with the ignition switch on, then
    pressing the OD button, but the dashboard does not light on the square
    to the left of the trip-odometer reset light.

    Also, if it is meant to have OD, will it harm it to drive at high-ish
    (over 55-65 mph) speeds in 4th gear?

    For that matter, were there Volvos of that year/model that had only
    the four gears?I really like this car (How could I not?) and want to
    get the most from it before my next Volvo.

    Thanks,
    Karl
     
    nojinx, Oct 4, 2003
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    Martijn Guest

    You should use the OD when driving over 65 miles per hour (90 - 100 Km/h).
    If you engage the button (the gearstick must be in fourth) you must hear two
    things:
    the relais clicking and the sollenoid. The last is mounnted on the side of
    the OD unit.

    Check the oil in it, they tend to leak, also clean the filter with brake
    cleaner. No oil, or less oil, means no pressure to shift up.

    You should also check the wireing form the relais unit to the OD,
    wires/connections tend to corrode. Perhaps your 4 gear switch is broken or
    the wires that lead just under the little switch on the gearstick are loose.

    Mine works fine afther I checked all these points. The relais is situated on
    the right site under the cover (where the left knee is), just below the fan
    openings.

    PMl me if you have questions,

    Cheers,

    Martijn
    3 old Volvo'
     
    Martijn, Oct 4, 2003
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    Alex Zepeda Guest

    No harm, just lousy gas mileage. If you have a tachometer you can see
    that 65 is well under the redline (on my cars it's about 3500 RPM, yours
    will be lower).

    Go post on the brickboard (may be down for a day or two while the DNS
    changes get picked up), with any luck Duane the OD guru will post a good
    diagnostic guide.

    - alex

    '85 244 Turbo
    '84 245 Turbo
     
    Alex Zepeda, Oct 4, 2003
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    James Sweet Guest

    Check the fuse, then the wiring in the shifter, it often breaks right by the
    base of the stick where it flexes, also sometimes the knob pops off and
    pulls the wires off the button and nobody bothers to put them back on. The
    OD is nice on the highway, generally you should engage it when going more
    than about 40 mph on flat ground.
     
    James Sweet, Oct 5, 2003
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    nojinx Guest

    I'll do that, and (forgive my thick-headedness) does your and the
    other answers, mean that it could _not_ be "only a 4-speed" as I was
    told? Were there 4-speed manuals in '83?

    - NJ
     
    nojinx, Oct 5, 2003
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    volvowrench Guest

    by Martijn dropped his wrench, scratched his head and
    mumbled,
    The relay is only there on right hand drive cars. On left hand drive cars
    you have to remove the glove box, and it's toward the center of the car
    next to the face level vent.

    Bob
     
    volvowrench, Oct 5, 2003
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    volvowrench Guest

    by nojinx dropped his wrench, scratched his head and
    mumbled,
    [snip]>
    There were some, very rare. I don't think many were imported to the US.

    Bob
     
    volvowrench, Oct 5, 2003
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    Alex Zepeda Guest

    North American cars all got overdrive transmissions by 83 (except for some
    cars.. I the 260 V6s the Canadian cars with carbs).

    Outside the US, YMMV. However, Volvo didn't put shift knobs with the OD
    button on the cars that got the M45 transmission. Actually this is all
    really extremely simple to check.

    Look under your car. If the transmission looks small, like a normal MT
    would.. you don't have an OD. If you've got what looks like a small
    automatic transmission on the back of a manual transmission with a big
    square grate thing on the bottom.. you've got an M46.

    - alex
     
    Alex Zepeda, Oct 6, 2003
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    Myren Guest

    The relay is only there on right hand drive cars. On left hand drive cars
    my relay was giving me serious problems. first the switch died so i
    replaced it with one on the dashboard. then the relay started going
    flakey, so i just bypassed it. still works great. just put in a big
    NASA surplus switch. in the middle of the switch console.

    caveats:

    remember to disengauge it when not in 4th gear over 60! it'll work fine
    for any of the forward drives, just give you zero torque, but so help
    you god if you coast off the freeway home and try and back out of your
    drive way the next day. ***Grrrrriinnnnddd***** ooh... i'm sorry!




    bonuses:

    friends asking what that random switch is on your dash. saying rocket
    thrusters is really fun, but overdrive is equally impressive. :-]

    switching into overdrive becomes so much more amusing.


    *grin*
    matt.
     
    Myren, Oct 8, 2003
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    Ryan Guest

    It's a common failure, check the relay under the dash.
    If you need more info, post.
     
    Ryan, Oct 11, 2003
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    James Sweet Guest

    4 speed is rare, not sure if they made them that late but I've never seen
    them. Just peek under the car, you can see the OD unit on the back end of
    the tranny, you don't even have to jack the thing up.
     
    James Sweet, Oct 11, 2003
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    nojinx Guest

    Gas mileage is of little concern, since I have the ever-popular (as in
    "common") option of non-functioning speedometer and odometer. ;)

    It's a Canada car, no tach.

    Thanks for all the suggestions. I've a few other questions I'll ask
    separately.- NJ
     
    nojinx, Oct 12, 2003
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    James Sweet Guest


    Actually the non functioning speedo is fairly rare, though the odometer does
    break sometimes. Have you checked the cable? It may have simply come
    unhooked, or it may be broken. Tach is fairly easily added if you find one
    in a junkyard.
     
    James Sweet, Oct 12, 2003
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    nojinx Guest

    I think I'm sorry to hear that about the speedo. Since there are
    numerous "small" problems with the car, I have searched online and
    didn't pick up on this, and both the speed- and od- ometers stopped
    working at the same time.

    But maybe that indicates a problem whose solution won't require parts,
    or it might be practical to add a tach at the same time. This week I
    will be checking area junkyards for availability of things I need.

    I am "fairly" certain that I didn't reset the trip odometer while
    driving, as I did know this is ill-advised. . . but "fairly isn't
    100%. - NJ
     
    nojinx, Oct 13, 2003
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    James Sweet Guest


    You can't break the speedometer by doing anything with the trip odometer,
    the speedo cable connects to the transmission and runs directly into the
    back of the speedo, this also drives the odometer but if the speedometer
    isn't working then you have either a broken or disconnected cable, or the
    gear that clips in the transmission to drive it has stripped, this happened
    to my dad's car when the bearing on the gear shaft siezed. A brand new
    speedo cable is only about $30, it's easier to just buy a brand new one than
    to get one from a junkyard, it's too easy to put a kink in it removing one
    and then your speedo needle will bounce.
     
    James Sweet, Oct 13, 2003
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    Alex Zepeda Guest

    Odometer problems are common, speedos aren't. My wagon had a non-op speedo, when
    I finally dug in to remove the tach.. I found that the speedometer was
    disconnected from the cable. Other places to look would be any of the mechanical
    boxes that the speedo cable would hook up to, and the transmission.

    If your speedometer is indeed dead, getting one from a junkyard is pretty easy.
    If you don't have any junkyards around where you are (doubtful), check
    car-part.com, or ask here.
    As stated elsewhere, adding a tach is pretty trivial.

    - alex
     
    Alex Zepeda, Oct 13, 2003
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    blurp Guest

    If you can get under the car make sure the wire that runs from the
    shifter to the OD on the side of the transmission is intact. I had a
    non-functioning OD for a year while various garages here in Toronto
    suggested everything from a new Overdrive Solenoid to a complete
    rebuild of the wiring harness until a resourceful fellow hoisted the
    car and looked to see that the Overdrive wire had wrapped itself
    around the driveshaft and just ripped out. The new wire was in and
    secure in about 5 minutes.

    I guess just add it to the list of things to check.
     
    blurp, Oct 21, 2003
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    nojinx Guest

    "James Sweet" <
    I guess I'd better humble myself and post the great fix.Everything
    checked out. . . except that James' reference to a fuse went over my
    head -- or through the empty space between my ears.

    After a miserable 125-mile trip last week I vowed to never take this
    car any distance again; meantime I decided to check the fuses to see
    whether the rear defroster might have a faulty one.

    Both OD and the defroster are on the same fuse, and there wasn't even
    a fuse there! I must have thought that empty one wasn't supposed to be
    used.So-o-o, I'm just back from a far more pleasant 300-mile trip. It
    just wasn't supposed to be so easy, I guess.

    Thank you all for your help. And I'm going to check the speedo cable
    soon. Before I ask about the cruise control, which _is_ on the same
    fuse as other things that work properly.

    Karl
     
    nojinx, Oct 22, 2003
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    James Sweet Guest

    The cruise control connects to the speedo, so if the speedo cable is bad the
    cruise control won't work either.
     
    James Sweet, Oct 23, 2003
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    Beast Guest

    my 740 turbo M46 gear box had broken cables and jammed overdrive solenoid.
    The broken cable was due to the bad cabling routing under the gear changer
    leveler.
    The overdrive solenoid sticked with steel powders and tar-like mixture. Once
    it was clean no problem at all.
    To keep your OD alive, better to change the gearbox oil at least once two
    yearly.

    Keith Beast
    E14 4NS Docklands
     
    Beast, Oct 23, 2003
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