1992 740 turbo wagon 150k miles sending smoke signals...

Discussion in 'Volvo 740' started by NuggetVille, Nov 11, 2003.

  1. NuggetVille

    NuggetVille Guest

    Thanks in advance for any help diagnosing this problem, long time lurker to
    this group and have had tons of good advice in repair of my stable. I did
    read historical posts for several days now and cannot find the problem with
    what I have been reading.

    My 740 suddenly started to smoke badly from one drive early in one day to
    starting it that evening.
    Its a weird smoke, in that it seems to roll out not really related to engine
    speed.
    In fact when first started, there was no smoke and then a few seconds later
    it sort of rolled out at idle.
    It doesnt seem like an air mass sensor, because [my 82 would not start with
    a bad one unless placed in limp] that smoke was ?thinner? but always smelled
    rich.
    This smoke smells like bitter diesel, and isnt blue or black, but white [no
    coolant loss that I can tell]
    Here is what I know:
    bosch lh jetronic 2.4 system
    battery was slightly low on volts 12.2 [charged now]
    oil was weird, thin , not milky replaced it and filter
    Pulled harness off AMS and slightly corroded, cleaned, replaced = smoke
    Pulled the air cleaner and found that a piece of deteriorated foam from the
    cover was blocking 1/3 of the intake of the AMS. removed all foam, replaced
    =smoke
    pulled oxogen sensor connector, slightly corroded terminals/wires, cleaned,
    replaced=smoke
    pulled each FI wireset, no corrosion, replaced=smoke
    pulled fuel pressure reg vacume line, no fuel in line, replaced=smoke
    pulled/checked flame trap hoses, not clogged at all, replaced=smoke
    pulled other vacuum lines and checked all i could reach/see, no
    missing/unhooked/holes,,. still smokin
    slightly corroded ground straps to firewall from valve cover,, only surface
    corrosion not at lugs, replaced=smoke
    pulled outlet to intercoller line from turbo, not too dirty.
    pulled intake to turbo, not too dirty, turbo spinns freely, no play/wobble
    tested AMS [kinda] did not know [ala chiltons manual] which was the signal
    ground of the bl/g bl/r bl/w wires..
    Ignition=on, connector =on: had 12v on bl/y and br =grnd other wires to
    ground varied among millivolts, but definetly had a reading on all, none in
    the .1 volt range all lower
    did not test ox sensor, afraid to warm up engine [only run for movement of
    car since that evening and testing...] dont wanna blow the cat. or ??

    Error codes pin 2 test "1"
    got a 1-2-1 =AMS absent/faulty [rember the foam chunk?] did not reset to
    recheck
    got 3-1-2 no knock enrichment from "DI system" [what is DI system?]
    got 2-3-1 adaptave fuel mix too lean or rich
    then pin 6 test "1"
    got [forgot code] EGR temp or flow error

    I have read posts about Y shaped vapor lines near the turbo/under the
    turbo.. all I have are oil and coolant lines
    the turbo is mitsu because the ss band in the middle [right?]
    I have not checked the oil lines to the turbo [chicken for now]
    I have not checked the sp plugs [REALLY] tight/hard to turn out, afraid to
    strip and create more problems...got plenty now
    I have not checked the knock sensor [again chicken for now to pull off the
    intake]
    I have not checked the injectors for spray pattern [not a gradual smoke, a
    sudden smoke]

    I dont want to go replacing the turbo or AMS as tests..but do not know where
    to go next..
    Any ideas?

    Thanks
    Dave Simon
    92 740 turbo wagon 150k
    82 240 dl 250k
     
    NuggetVille, Nov 11, 2003
    #1
  2. NuggetVille

    James Sweet Guest

    Check the rubber hoses, particularly those right at the intercooler, a leak
    will cause it to run very rich.
     
    James Sweet, Nov 11, 2003
    #2
  3. NuggetVille

    Peter Milnes Guest

    Remember that for every litre of petrol burnt in the engine, more than a litre
    of water is produced. White smoke is usually water (steam) caused and it may be
    that the coolant flowing through your Mitsubishi turbo's cooling jacket may have
    sprung a leak or blown a gasket or washer, or even corroded the jacket and is
    dripping coolant into the turbo. This is the one problem with water cooled
    turbos.

    Cheers, Peter.

    : Thanks in advance for any help diagnosing this problem, long time lurker to
    : this group and have had tons of good advice in repair of my stable. I did
    : read historical posts for several days now and cannot find the problem with
    : what I have been reading.
    :
    : My 740 suddenly started to smoke badly from one drive early in one day to
    : starting it that evening.
    : Its a weird smoke, in that it seems to roll out not really related to engine
    : speed.
    : In fact when first started, there was no smoke and then a few seconds later
    : it sort of rolled out at idle.
    : It doesnt seem like an air mass sensor, because [my 82 would not start with
    : a bad one unless placed in limp] that smoke was ?thinner? but always smelled
    : rich.
    : This smoke smells like bitter diesel, and isnt blue or black, but white [no
    : coolant loss that I can tell]
    : Here is what I know:
    : bosch lh jetronic 2.4 system
    : battery was slightly low on volts 12.2 [charged now]
    : oil was weird, thin , not milky replaced it and filter
    : Pulled harness off AMS and slightly corroded, cleaned, replaced = smoke
    : Pulled the air cleaner and found that a piece of deteriorated foam from the
    : cover was blocking 1/3 of the intake of the AMS. removed all foam, replaced
    : =smoke
    : pulled oxogen sensor connector, slightly corroded terminals/wires, cleaned,
    : replaced=smoke
    : pulled each FI wireset, no corrosion, replaced=smoke
    : pulled fuel pressure reg vacume line, no fuel in line, replaced=smoke
    : pulled/checked flame trap hoses, not clogged at all, replaced=smoke
    : pulled other vacuum lines and checked all i could reach/see, no
    : missing/unhooked/holes,,. still smokin
    : slightly corroded ground straps to firewall from valve cover,, only surface
    : corrosion not at lugs, replaced=smoke
    : pulled outlet to intercoller line from turbo, not too dirty.
    : pulled intake to turbo, not too dirty, turbo spinns freely, no play/wobble
    : tested AMS [kinda] did not know [ala chiltons manual] which was the signal
    : ground of the bl/g bl/r bl/w wires..
    : Ignition=on, connector =on: had 12v on bl/y and br =grnd other wires to
    : ground varied among millivolts, but definetly had a reading on all, none in
    : the .1 volt range all lower
    : did not test ox sensor, afraid to warm up engine [only run for movement of
    : car since that evening and testing...] dont wanna blow the cat. or ??
    :
    : Error codes pin 2 test "1"
    : got a 1-2-1 =AMS absent/faulty [rember the foam chunk?] did not reset to
    : recheck
    : got 3-1-2 no knock enrichment from "DI system" [what is DI system?]
    : got 2-3-1 adaptave fuel mix too lean or rich
    : then pin 6 test "1"
    : got [forgot code] EGR temp or flow error
    :
    : I have read posts about Y shaped vapor lines near the turbo/under the
    : turbo.. all I have are oil and coolant lines
    : the turbo is mitsu because the ss band in the middle [right?]
    : I have not checked the oil lines to the turbo [chicken for now]
    : I have not checked the sp plugs [REALLY] tight/hard to turn out, afraid to
    : strip and create more problems...got plenty now
    : I have not checked the knock sensor [again chicken for now to pull off the
    : intake]
    : I have not checked the injectors for spray pattern [not a gradual smoke, a
    : sudden smoke]
    :
    : I dont want to go replacing the turbo or AMS as tests..but do not know where
    : to go next..
    : Any ideas?
    :
    : Thanks
    : Dave Simon
    : 92 740 turbo wagon 150k
    : 82 240 dl 250k
    :
    :
    :
     
    Peter Milnes, Nov 12, 2003
    #3
  4. NuggetVille

    DJJ Guest

    Update: for future refrence.

    Thanks to all who posted suggestions.
    Here is what I did. [in addition to way below...]
    I changed all visible vacuum hoses.
    I pulled the fuel rail and checked the spray, and operation [on=on
    off=off]
    [was fine]
    Changed out all orings after cleaning intake and rail.
    Left battery off to 'reset' computer

    Started it [has always started]
    Smoked badly, ran it anyway for a good 15-20 minutes to allow the
    computer to renormalize the settings.

    When I got home, No smoke, No stink. runs better than before.

    My thought is that the foam liner caused a confusing airflow problem
    the computer couldnt solve, went really rich on old oil with old
    vaccuum plumbing.
    Dont think it was turbo related.

    Just needed some tlc I guess.

    So far so good.

    Cheers,
    Dave




     
    DJJ, Dec 1, 2003
    #4
  5. NuggetVille

    Daryl Black

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    This may be a reach, however. Check your cam gear. The stationary pin that keeps the cam gear from moving may be sheared off and cam timing is off. Strange but it happened to me. Once corrected it ran fabulous again
     
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    Daryl Black, Jun 28, 2017
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