240 Question

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If 240s are so popular (and I'm certainly one of their biggest fans), then why
don't they make them anymore? You'd think with the consistently high demand
for these cars, even though the newest ones are 11 years old, Volvo would take
the hint.
 
PButler111 said:
If 240s are so popular (and I'm certainly one of their biggest fans), then why
don't they make them anymore? You'd think with the consistently high demand
for these cars, even though the newest ones are 11 years old, Volvo would take
the hint.
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The manufacturer costs were higher. FWD cars are cheaper to build.

Bill
 
PButler111 said:
If 240s are so popular (and I'm certainly one of their biggest fans), then why
don't they make them anymore? You'd think with the consistently high demand
for these cars, even though the newest ones are 11 years old, Volvo would take
the hint.
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They wanted more profits. It backfired on them, as people could
no longer buy a $20K Volvo that was a tank. What they got was a
halfway Volvo, much like how the Mercedes C230K isn't a true
Mercedes.
 
Subject: Re: 240 Question
From: Joseph Oberlander [email protected]
Date: 4/17/2004 3:57 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email protected]>


They wanted more profits. It backfired on them, as people could
no longer buy a $20K Volvo that was a tank. What they got was a
halfway Volvo, much like how the Mercedes C230K isn't a true
Mercedes.
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Since folks are now paying as much as $12,000 or more for a good 240 wagon, I
don't see why they couldn't just build new 240s and charge for them
accordingly, so everyone's happy.
 
Joseph Oberlander said:
What they got was a
halfway Volvo, much like how the Mercedes C230K isn't a true
Mercedes.
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I know that this is straying off topic, but I've got to say
that if you think a C230K isn't a true Merc, I guess that
you haven't seen the MB series vans. Built by wholly owned
DaimlerChrysler company Ssanyong in South Korea...

Talk about not a true Merc...
 
PButler111 said:
Since folks are now paying as much as $12,000 or more for a good 240 wagon, I
don't see why they couldn't just build new 240s and charge for them
accordingly, so everyone's happy.
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Wasn't there a company in the USA who fully recoed late 2 series?
 
PButler111 said:
athol [email protected] wrote:
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Sorry, but I have no idea what you just said.
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IIRC, there was a company in the USA in the past few years, who would
take late model ('90 on I think) 2 series Volvos and strip them down
to a bare shell, repair any body damage, repaint, recondition
_everything_ and then sell them...

Hence, they were selling fully reconditioned late 2 series Volvos.
 
Since folks are now paying as much as $12,000 or more for a good 240 wagon,
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Where!?

I have not seen prices like that in Oregon, but maybe that's because there's so
many of them around here!

We paid $9,400 for our '92 (sedan though) 4 years ago with 65K miles in good
(not perfect) condition. I bought it in Portland. Great car, and I can see
why they could even start to appreciate in value, especially the '92s and
'93's, since they have airbags and ALB.... "they ain't mak'n any more of 'em".

An appreciating daily-driver... wouldn't THAT be nice! I'd settle for holding
steady but in reality, a nice 240 in this area is a $7500 car, MAYBE.
 
If 240s are so popular (and I'm certainly one of their biggest fans), then why
don't they make them anymore? You'd think with the consistently high demand
for these cars, even though the newest ones are 11 years old, Volvo would take
the hint.
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They don't meet current safety standards. There was no way to
incorporate side impact protection in them. They were not designed for
air bags. The safety standards of current models are far superior.
 
IIRC, there was a company in the USA in the past few years, who would
take late model ('90 on I think) 2 series Volvos and strip them down
to a bare shell, repair any body damage, repaint, recondition
_everything_ and then sell them...

Hence, they were selling fully reconditioned late 2 series Volvos.
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Okay, but I don't know what that has to do with my question.
 
They don't meet current safety standards. There was no way to
incorporate side impact protection in them. They were not designed for
air bags. The safety standards of current models are far superior.
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I don't think side impact air bags are standard on most new cars, so I can't
see why not having them would prevent a car from being made.
 
I don't think side impact air bags are standard on most new cars, so I can't
see why not having them would prevent a car from being made.
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Side impact protection is required on all USA spec vehicles. The 240
didn't have it and weren't practical to upgrade. All Volvos made after
1993 met the USA 1997 side-impact standards

Side curtain airbags are not required. However they are standard on all
of today's Volvos.

Volvo 240s didn't have air bags or ABS at all. All Volvos made after
1993 had air bags and ABS.
 
Side impact protection is required on all USA spec vehicles.

Of all the folks I know who've purchased new cars in the past 7 years, none of
those cars had side airbags.

Volvo 240s didn't have air bags or ABS at all. All Volvos made after
1993 had air bags and ABS.
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That's not true. All the '93 240 wagons I've looked at recently have both ABS
and airbags. The '92s I looked at all had ABS.
 
PButler111 said:
Of all the folks I know who've purchased new cars in the past 7 years, none of
those cars had side airbags.
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The previous poster wasn't mentioning air bags, but side impact protection, meaning beams,
A-pillar, middle door frame, chassis rails, etc.... Even though the 760 I drive was
considered a "safe" car, it isn't as safe as some of the new cars on the road that are
half the size!! New technology is difficult to integrate into an older chassis, even
though the 960 was loosely based on the 760, it isn't the same car.


Like he mentioned, the '93s and up have air bags. My '87 760GLE has ABS.
That's not true. All the '93 240 wagons I've looked at recently have both ABS
and airbags. The '92s I looked at all had ABS.
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Just cuz a small handfull of people love their 240s doesn't mean other people are going to
rush out and buy something that is over 20 years old in technology!! Especially, if you
mention that 92s are going for $11k, boy, you can go and buy a new car with a longggggg
warranty with 0% interest around here, and they are still reasonably safe cars compared to
an older 240, mind you, they will be FWD. Volvo has kept up with the times, the 850 was
decent, the S70 (basically the same thing) was good, the V70/S60 are nice, I really do
like the S80s (current models, not early). Volvo made a bold styling move with the S80,
it was quite unique when it came out.

BTW: Volvo 240 Wagons go for pretty cheap up here in Toronto Canada, weren't most of the
Sedans (wagons too?) assembled in Halifax Canada (that were for the North American
market).

If you really want something that is good, go out and buy a V70 AWD, I'm sure you'd be
more happy with that than an old 240, and it loosely resembles some distinct old Volvo
lines (the stepped side line going out to the rear).

If Volvo were still making a 240, I wouldn't buy one. I love RWD for summer conditions,
but when it comes to winter (most people here drive on all-season tires, which in RWD is
useless), I'd rather at least have a FWD or AWD, even though I drive a 760 as my choice
(and an Alfa Romeo Milano before that, RWD)
 
Volvo 240s didn't have air bags or ABS at all. All Volvos made after
Like he mentioned, the '93s and up have air bags. My '87 760GLE has ABS.
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Read again. That's not what he said. He said all Volvos made *after* 1993.

Just cuz a small handfull of people love their 240s doesn't mean other people
are going to
rush out and buy something that is over 20 years old in technology!!
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What does that opinion have to do with my comment about ABS?
Especially, if you
mention that 92s are going for $11k,
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I never said any such thing. You seem to have a bit of reading comprehension
trouble.

boy, you can go and buy a new car with a
longggggg
warranty with 0% interest around here, and they are still reasonably safe
cars compared to
an older 240, mind you, they will be FWD. Volvo has kept up with the times,
the 850 was
decent, the S70 (basically the same thing) was good, the V70/S60 are nice, I
really do
like the S80s (current models, not early). Volvo made a bold styling move
with the S80,
it was quite unique when it came out.
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Again, what does any of this have to do with the topic at hand?

BTW: Volvo 240 Wagons go for pretty cheap up here in Toronto Canada, weren't
most of the
Sedans (wagons too?) assembled in Halifax Canada (that were for the North
American
market).
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Really? When's the last time you priced a 1993 240 wagon, fully loaded?
If you really want something that is good, go out and buy a V70 AWD, I'm sure
you'd be
more happy with that than an old 240, and it loosely resembles some distinct
old Volvo
lines (the stepped side line going out to the rear).
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What a truly stupid thing to say. Did you even bother reading the original
post?

If Volvo were still making a 240, I wouldn't buy one.
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Who gives a shit?
 
How many people do you think would buy a car designed in the early 70s and
put to market in 1974?

They'd lose money on them, and they would have to totally rebuild the cars
to meet current safety/emmisions standards.

I do think Volvo should make one model that caters to the old style crowd.
Rear wheel drive, sedan and wagon, 4, turbo 4, and 6 cylinder powerplants,
your basic features like A/C and a good radio, excellent seats, and all the
safety features... S50/V60 anyone?
 
Your answers to my opinion make it seem like you're an idiot.

Yes, I read the original post, I make a valid and qualified opinion.

Wanna see what 240 fully loaded wagons go for here? 140,000 kms (87k miles) typically
$2500-$4500 certified, emissions tested, and that is Canadian funds, so make that MUCH
cheaper in USD. What they list for and sell for are two different things.

Figuring that you can buy a used Volvo 850 (1993-95) for under $8000 Canadian with low
kms. 1998 V70s loaded go for approx $14,500 Cnd.

The very question that you asked in your original post is the most stupid thing I've ever
heard. Why don't they still make the VW Bug the way they used to (rear engine)?
considering they sold millions, and the last one made/sold was only a few years back.
duh...
don't they make them anymore? You'd think with the consistently high demand
for these cars, even though the newest ones are 11 years old, Volvo would take
the hint.

Heck, Volvo should bring back the 760 too, they sold tons of those, and people still keep
buying them used, hmmm, should Volvo get the hint?

Fast forward guy, it's now 2004.

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Myron Samila
Toronto, ON Canada
Samila Racing
http://204.101.251.229/myronx19



My neighbour just sold his, loaded, black, winter wheels, upgraded CD system $4500
certified, 80,000kms.

What a truly stupid thing to say. Did you even bother reading the original
post?



Who gives a shit?
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here is where your post just proved you are truly and idiot.

Please, do us a favour, don't use the usenet if you can't appreciate the time/effort that
people have made to answer your questions, directly, or indirectly.
 
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