'93 245 tailgate power lock failure.

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by Andy, May 24, 2007.

  1. Andy

    Andy Guest

    Hi,

    The power locking system works perfectly when the tailgate is *up*, locking
    and unlocking. (Checked with the inner panel removed.) .
    When the tailgate is *down*, the sliding rod which accomplishes the locking
    and unlocking doesn't move, or doesn't move enough. It appears to stick,
    despite being well lubed along with all other parts that need it.

    Mystified.
    Andy I.
     
    Andy, May 24, 2007
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  2. Andy

    James Sweet Guest

    Replace the wiring harnesses that run through the tailgate hinges. It's a
    very common problem on 245s, and over time all the powered devices in the
    tailgate will fail.
     
    James Sweet, May 24, 2007
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  3. Andy

    Perry Noid Guest

    if it doesn't move at all, and you don't hear the solenoid trying to move
    it, you probably have an intermittant wire in the harness that runs thru the
    hinge. When the tailgate is up, the wires connect, but when you close the
    tailgate, the wires are pulled apart enough that they don't connect, so no
    power gets to the solenoid. I have a similar intermittant problem with my
    center brake light, which works most of the time with the tailgate closed,
    but usually does not light when I open the tailgate ('89 240 wagon)... so
    far, I've been able to postpone the inevitable replacement of the
    harness....
     
    Perry Noid, May 24, 2007
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  4. Andy

    Andy Guest

    Thanks James and Perry. I sat on the floor in the back and closed the
    hatch, then had my good wife operate the power locks. I couldn't hear or
    feel any movement of the solenoid mechanism. I guess I'll have to bow to
    the inevitable ............... sometime. Yet, how soon these conveniences
    become necessities!

    I've had the harness replaced twice since the car was new.... five years
    apart. Da**it!! It isn't due.......
    Andy I.





    : if it doesn't move at all, and you don't hear the solenoid trying to move
    : it, you probably have an intermittant wire in the harness that runs thru
    the
    : hinge. When the tailgate is up, the wires connect, but when you close the
    : tailgate, the wires are pulled apart enough that they don't connect, so no
    : power gets to the solenoid. I have a similar intermittant problem with my
    : center brake light, which works most of the time with the tailgate closed,
    : but usually does not light when I open the tailgate ('89 240 wagon)... so
    : far, I've been able to postpone the inevitable replacement of the
    : harness....
    :
    :
     
    Andy, May 24, 2007
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  5. Andy

    Duane Guest

    This time when they replace the harnesses, tell them to place a small nut
    (#6 fits just fine)under the wires at the seam between the tailgate and the
    body before they replace the hinge on the body. Tape it to the body. This
    puts a bit of extra wire at the most flex point so the closed gate does not
    pull and stretch the wires.

    The last harness I did this to is still functional after eight years.

    Or after you get the car back, remove the corners of the headliner at the
    back rear, close the tailgate, go inside through a side door and release the
    bolts that hold the hinge in place. Go outside through the side door, lift
    the hinge and place the nut under the wire, then reset the inge to the body.
    Go inside through the side door and replace the hinge bolts. Open tailgate
    and replace headliner.

    Sorry to be specific about entering and exiting through the side door.
    Someone who tried this trick actually opened the gate with the hinges
    off.....

    Duane
     
    Duane, May 24, 2007
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  6. Andy

    Andy Guest

    Thanks Duane.

    Sounds like good advice........... especially the bit about entering through
    the side door!

    Andy I.


    : This time when they replace the harnesses, tell them to place a small nut
    : (#6 fits just fine)under the wires at the seam between the tailgate and
    the
    : body before they replace the hinge on the body. Tape it to the body.
    This
    : puts a bit of extra wire at the most flex point so the closed gate does
    not
    : pull and stretch the wires.
    :
    : The last harness I did this to is still functional after eight years.
    :
    : Or after you get the car back, remove the corners of the headliner at the
    : back rear, close the tailgate, go inside through a side door and release
    the
    : bolts that hold the hinge in place. Go outside through the side door, lift
    : the hinge and place the nut under the wire, then reset the inge to the
    body.
    : Go inside through the side door and replace the hinge bolts. Open
    tailgate
    : and replace headliner.
    :
    : Sorry to be specific about entering and exiting through the side door.
    : Someone who tried this trick actually opened the gate with the hinges
    : off.....
    :
    : Duane
    :
    :
    :
     
    Andy, May 24, 2007
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  7. Andy

    James Sweet Guest


    Well you could check the wires for continuity, it's possible something else
    is at fault.

    Those hinge wires are a really stupid design, it's one of those few times
    where I have to think what the heck was Sven smoking when he decided to do
    it like that? The next time the wires break on my mom's 245 I think I'll try
    using silicone insulated test lead wire and see how that holds up.
     
    James Sweet, May 24, 2007
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  8. Andy

    Andy Guest

    Thanks James. Tougher wire should help.
    Re continuity, the solenoid works when the tailgate is up, so there must be
    continuity there, but not when the tailgate is down.

    Andy I.


    :
    :
    : Well you could check the wires for continuity, it's possible something
    else
    : is at fault.
    :
    : Those hinge wires are a really stupid design, it's one of those few times
    : where I have to think what the heck was Sven smoking when he decided to do
    : it like that? The next time the wires break on my mom's 245 I think I'll
    try
    : using silicone insulated test lead wire and see how that holds up.
    :
    :
     
    Andy, May 24, 2007
    #8
  9. Andy

    James Sweet Guest

    Oh, duh, forgot that part, yeah replace the wires and you should be in
    business.
     
    James Sweet, May 25, 2007
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