Chevy Malibu Better than Volvo S60 In Recent IIHS Side Impact Test????

Discussion in 'Volvo S60' started by John Horner, Jun 10, 2005.

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    John Horner Guest

    I guess this is a milestone of sorts in the evolution of crash
    protection from being a specialty feature of Volvo and into being
    something for everyone. I am also sure that a chorus of apologists
    will arise claiming that the IIHS test is somehow flawed. To those
    people I ask: When Volvo does well on IIHS tests, doesn't Volvo brag
    about it?

    Here is the news release from IIHS today:

    http://www.hwysafety.org/news_releases/2005/pr060505.htm


    A few exerpts:
    Volvo is acceptable: The S60's performance was not as good as the A4's
    or Malibu's. With the standard curtain airbags, head protection was
    good. But forces on the driver dummy's pelvis were high.

    "Even though the S60 has standard torso airbags for front-seat occupants
    along with the curtains, a fractured pelvis for the driver would be
    likely in a real-world crash like this," Lund says. "Volvo still has
    some work to do to improve the S60's performance."
    Granted the Malibu they speak of is equipped with optional side air bags
    while the Volvo has them standard. However, the Audi A4 and Saab 9-3
    also did better than the S60.

    Volvo is no longer the clear leader in crash protection.

    John

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    John Horner, Jun 10, 2005
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    Rob Guenther Guest

    The Volvo's design is also older then any one of those cars - The Mailbu
    shares a platform with the Saab 9-3, and the Saab was picked as Swedens
    safest car (could have been the 9-5... but I know the 9-3 is very safe
    too)... so Saab knows a thing or two about safety, and teaches GM, as Volvo
    teaches Ford.

    The Audi was also redesigned for this year.

    What is more disapointing is that the new S40 got acceptable, to have the
    new Jetta really show everyone how to make a small car safe, it got a Best
    Pick for side, and a Good rating (tho not best pick) for frontal offset.

    I don't know if Volvo was the "clear leader" for a while now - Saabs seem to
    do just as good or better, and back in the day you were probably as safe in
    a Mercedes Benz.... Volvo just has a more vocal safety regime, now that
    everyone is concered about safety, or so it would seem, you hear more and
    more about other cars being just as good... With computer technology pretty
    much everyone can be at the top, if they want to spend the money.
     
    Rob Guenther, Jun 10, 2005
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    John Horner Guest

    Sometime in the 90s Volvo clearly changed it's focus to go after the
    trendy-fashion thing and leave behind their traditional priorities. The
    current sales success of the XC90 is likely to continue encouraging
    Volvo down the fashion path. The problem with fashion is that success
    is always fleeting.

    John
     
    John Horner, Jun 10, 2005
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    Rob Guenther Guest

    What else could they have done? They had to put a bit more style into their
    products... everyone else did, Mercedes cars were generally just as ugly and
    Audi cars were far uglier then the Volvo's of the 80's - and both companies
    changed their styles in pretty much the same way - first rounded squares,
    then more swoopy designs... Audi still has more of a rounded square shape
    until very recently... MB has made all their cars ugly (IMO), and Volvo's -
    well they still look muscular, strong, and Volvo-ish to me... Tho I only
    grew up with Volvos from the 70's/80's.

    If they kept selling highly functional boxes only an enthusiast would love,
    they would have gone bankrupt - look how few people actually buy Saabs, and
    look at the stop gap solutions GM is coming up with to "help" them (rebadged
    Imprezza and Trailblazer - Volvo's building their own cars on top-notch
    global platforms that they do a lot of design work on - and they still use
    all their own engines).... The XC90 is well received... It's an SUV, so
    what - it's how you make money, don't like it - don't buy it... Its safer
    then a V70 in general, except on accident avoidance - performs well, and
    it's low emissions... Every car maker needs an SUV right now - because
    people want them, if you don't build what your customers want, you lose
    sales to other companies.

    In my opinion, a Volvo is easier to own then ever... a 960 wagon was $42000
    CAD in 1993 when we bought ours.... a new XC70 with the bells and whistles
    is around $50000 CAD, a V70 is around $45000 CAD.... In comparion a base
    model VW Golf was $11000 on the road in 1991, and we just paid $21000 for a
    base model in early 2004... Volvo kept there prices down for what you get! -
    Another comparison... A Mercedes 300 wagon wasn't much more then a Volvo in
    the early 90's (at least according to my dad who cross shopped a 300 wagon
    with the 965 - the Volvo was a better car and cheaper) - now an E-class
    wagon is around $70-90k CAD.
     
    Rob Guenther, Jun 10, 2005
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    James Sweet Guest

    Other manufactures are catching up, Volvo was decades ahead years ago but
    it's inevitable that some others will begin to catch up eventually, there
    reaches a point when there's much less left to improve.
     
    James Sweet, Jun 11, 2005
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    Hal Whelply, Jun 11, 2005
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