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  1. Philip

    Philip Guest

    Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars

    Ivanhoe Newswire
    www.ivanhoe.com
    September 1, 2004

    Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater
    than diesel car exhaust.

    Investigators hope the negative comparison can be a valuable educational
    message against tobacco use for adolescents.

    Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, the most
    dangerous element of air pollution. According to the new study, levels
    indoors can far exceed those outdoors because new engine models and
    lead-free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car
    exhausts.

    The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town where
    there are very low levels of particulate matter air pollution. A turbo
    diesel engine was left idling for 30 minutes in the garage with the doors
    closed. Then, the doors were left open for four hours. The car was fueled
    with low sulphur fuel. Three filter cigarettes were also lit up
    sequentially, and left smoldering for another 30 minutes.

    Results of the experiment show the diesel engine exhaust doubled the
    particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak.

    The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15-times
    higher than those measured outdoors.

    This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by
    e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to:

    http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/.

    SOURCE: Tobacco Control, 2004;13:219-221
     
    Philip, Jan 5, 2005
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  2. Philip

    Cosmin N. Guest

    Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :p

    The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
    very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study
    proving that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to
    smoking, because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other
    influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it
    works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to quit.

    I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and
    the chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the
    number of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3
    cigarettes in one day, and that was because I had to completely
    reassemble my old Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs,
    front end, swing arm and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything
    back together).

    Cosmin
     
    Cosmin N., Jan 5, 2005
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  3. Philip

    Philip Guest

    Hope peer pressure does not lead to teenage girls leaving lipstick marks on
    the exhaust pipe of their VW Cabriolet TDI's.
     
    Philip, Jan 5, 2005
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  4. Philip

    Guest Guest



    "The study was conducted in a garage in a small, Italian mountain town"

    Another unbiased report brought to you by Tobacco Control.

    Now I got a tell ya., I don't smoke, but these so called reports brought
    to you by Tobacco Control and a bunch more are so obvious that it makes
    one laugh.
    --
     
    Guest, Jan 5, 2005
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  5. Philip

    Ken Weitzel Guest


    Coming up next...

    Terrorism, wars, whacko jacko, the Bush'er, the folks
    at Enron, and Martha Stewart... ALL caused by tobacco.
     
    Ken Weitzel, Jan 5, 2005
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  6. For what it's worth...

    I am fat, and I am on my Nth diet. Its going well, and at 46, it's time for
    me to lose the gut. Food, or ciggies, or whatever your substance of abuse
    is--keep trying to become more healthy.

    One reason we drive Volvos is, at least for me, affordable safety. Does it
    make sense to drag my fat body, or your pack of cancer sticks into our safe
    Volvos?

    Keep working on it! Try try again!

    <<Preaching mode off>>
     
    Steve n Holly, Jan 5, 2005
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  7. Philip

    Wickeddoll® Guest

    ROFL!

    Natalie, never-a-smoker
     
    Wickeddoll®, Jan 5, 2005
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  8. Philip

    Wickeddoll® Guest

    I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out. That was
    until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that
    their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and
    everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop
    smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette
    smoking is - wow!

    Natalie
     
    Wickeddoll®, Jan 5, 2005
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  9. Sorry to hear that. I tried filters, patches, training programs, but
    none worked for me. One day, it came down to that I couldn't afford
    college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit. I said I had to quit
    and I did. I promised myself I would start back up when I could
    afford it, but that was 10+ years ago. Now with a mortgage and a
    child, I"m guessing I'll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the
    smell now and then.

    Everyone who says they can't just doesn't want to.

    imho,

    tom @ www.ChopURL.com




     
    newsgroups01REMOVEME, Jan 6, 2005
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  10. Philip

    Wickeddoll® Guest

    I think it's a lot like other addictions, such as food - some people haven't
    been able to lose weight by any methods, which is tougher because you don't
    need cigarettes to survive (just the opposite, of course), but you need food
    to live. I saw a lady on a documentary who had dropped well over 200 pounds.
    She began to go insane; not from temptation, but because her body reacted as
    though it were starving! She became psychotic and very ill. She ended up
    gaining the weight back, and in doing so, regained her sanity. Isn't that
    nuts?! For smokers, they see others lighting up, which is even more powerful
    than an obese person walking by a restaurant and resisting the temptation to
    chow down. Personally, I usually was slightly overweight, but not morbidly
    so. Then my blood pressure went up, which woke me up to the reality that my
    heart was being affected. I decided I'd rather not be a sick old lady some
    day (I'm now 46), so I had to drop the weight and get in shape. I exercise
    no less than 30 minutes every single day, and have never regretted it.

    By the way, the bargain that you made for your body should be reneged.
    Please believe me when I say you'll be so much more healthy without
    cigarettes. What people don't realize is that while lung cancer is
    relatively rare (I've only seen a handful of cases in 28 years), smoking does
    a lot of damage in other ways, such as COPD (emphysema - folks on home oxygen
    because their lungs have shriveled and hardened to the point of no
    elasticity), not to mention heart attacks and strokes. Plus they're very
    expensive! My mother-in-law, a Nazi death camp survivor smokes (I can't say
    I blame her after what she went through), and while we lived in New Hampshire
    (She lives in Massachusetts) she'd ask if I'd buy her cigarettes either in NH
    (They're quite a bit cheaper there) or at Westover AFB in Chicopee, MA. I
    told her that while I know she won't stop smoking because I refuse to buy
    them for her, I could not in good conscience do that for her, because that
    would be like handing a syringe to a heroin addict. I can't be a party to
    her slow suicide. My husband used to get them for her, and I didn't chastise
    him for it, because I knew he just wanted to do what he can to help his mom
    be content. I just couldn't do it myself, and she (thankfully) understands
    that. But she's so awesome anyway, she'd naturally not cop an attitude. The
    woman's incredible, and I wish she could stop so we could have her on this
    planet longer.

    Natalie, former food junkie - or is that junk-food junkie? ;-)
     
    Wickeddoll®, Jan 6, 2005
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  11. Philip

    Guest Guest

    I often wonder why there is even a mention of making marijuana legal,
    while in the same breath they try to eliminate cigarette smoking. Seems
    to me they are both bad for health.

    I had a chance to sit in a 04 Camry today. It's a really nice
    automobile.
    --
     
    Guest, Jan 6, 2005
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    Dan Drake Guest

    Yeah, but when you're as desperate as my friend Mick - who has been
    known to snort a line of salt from the edge of the bar - then a joint
    is not such a bad thing.
     
    Dan Drake, Jan 6, 2005
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  13. Philip

    Wickeddoll® Guest

    They are, but like so many things, money is a factor. Most people can't or
    wouldn't grow their own tobacco, but they'd certainly grow their own weed.
    The government would have a very hard time taxing and overseeing such a
    plant.
    How dare you talk about cars! What do you think these are, car newsgroups?!

    Oh yeah.

    ;-)

    Natalie
     
    Wickeddoll®, Jan 6, 2005
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  14. Philip

    Wickeddoll® Guest

    Gawd, that reminds me of that scene from Cheech and Chong's 'Up In Smoke'
    when that whacked-out chick snorted cleaning powder (I think it was Ajax
    cleanser).

    Natalie
     
    Wickeddoll®, Jan 6, 2005
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  15. Philip

    Guest Guest

    On cold days I walk at our mall. I spoke with a lady one morning who
    has diabetes. She told me that she started a vigorous walking regime
    some time ago and after a while she was able to shed ALL of her
    medications. One more reason for exercise.
    --
     
    Guest, Jan 6, 2005
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  16. Philip

    Wickeddoll® Guest

    Amen!

    Natalie
     
    Wickeddoll®, Jan 6, 2005
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  17. Philip

    Philip Guest

    The 'report' makes a great spoon to stir the soup. Some tasted it! LOL
     
    Philip, Jan 6, 2005
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    B.Creech Guest

    And exactly what does this have to do with Acura
    automobiles....................ie this newsgroup?
     
    B.Creech, Jan 6, 2005
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    Jan Kalin Guest

    Yup, nicotine addiction is as powerful as heroin addiction. If anyone is
    interested in this, check out the chapter "Nicotine as an addicting drug"
    http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/CU25.html from "The
    Consumers Union Report - Licit and Illicit Drugs"
    http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/cumenu.htm
     
    Jan Kalin, Jan 6, 2005
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  20. 1) Did this woman lose too much too quickly?

    2) My wife smokes only sporadically and then not much, but I have refused
    to buy her duty-free cigs (I travel a lot) on same grounds.


    DAS
    --
    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

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    Dori A Schmetterling, Jan 6, 2005
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