My wife's frustrating 1993 Volvo 240

[Tim McNamara]

My wife's frustrating Volvo problems continue. Jeez this thing seems to
be a lemon in sharp contrast to my 1990 240 and her previous 1990 240
and her 1987 245 before that. Aaarggggh!

OK, here's the drill. Recurrent check engine lights for most of the
past year. Lousy, loping cold idle; has had MAF replaced, new vacuum
hose installed to the dash controls, IIRC a new O2 sensor, crank
position sensor, new battery, probably some other things I have
forgotten. I posted about the brake booster a while back as a possible
source of the terrible idle, which passed all the tests I could find to
try. The passenger side power windows work sporadically at best (and
didn't before she bought it).

Checking the OBD to see why the check engine light is on, I get 1-1-1 on
socket 2 and 1-4-4 and 1-4-3 on socket 6. Those check out as "missing
load signal from LH control unit" and "knock sensor signal missing." I
cleared the codes, we'll see how long they take to come back (and if any
others appear).

Any suggestions on further user-performable diagnostics to figure out
what's going on?

Thanks!

 

[Leftie]

My wife's frustrating Volvo problems continue. Jeez this thing seems to
be a lemon in sharp contrast to my 1990 240 and her previous 1990 240
and her 1987 245 before that. Aaarggggh!

OK, here's the drill. Recurrent check engine lights for most of the
past year. Lousy, loping cold idle; has had MAF replaced, new vacuum
hose installed to the dash controls, IIRC a new O2 sensor, crank
position sensor, new battery, probably some other things I have
forgotten. I posted about the brake booster a while back as a possible
source of the terrible idle, which passed all the tests I could find to
try. The passenger side power windows work sporadically at best (and
didn't before she bought it).

Checking the OBD to see why the check engine light is on, I get 1-1-1 on
socket 2 and 1-4-4 and 1-4-3 on socket 6. Those check out as "missing
load signal from LH control unit" and "knock sensor signal missing." I
cleared the codes, we'll see how long they take to come back (and if any
others appear).

Any suggestions on further user-performable diagnostics to figure out
what's going on?

Thanks!

The knock sensors can fail, but more likely it just needs to have
the connection cleaned and electrical grease applied to protect it. If
the new MAF isn't OEM, I'd suspect that still being part of the problem,
as well as a yet-to-be-found vacuum leak.

 

[James Sweet]

My wife's frustrating Volvo problems continue. Jeez this thing seems to
be a lemon in sharp contrast to my 1990 240 and her previous 1990 240
and her 1987 245 before that. Aaarggggh!

OK, here's the drill. Recurrent check engine lights for most of the
past year. Lousy, loping cold idle; has had MAF replaced, new vacuum
hose installed to the dash controls, IIRC a new O2 sensor, crank
position sensor, new battery, probably some other things I have
forgotten. I posted about the brake booster a while back as a possible
source of the terrible idle, which passed all the tests I could find to
try. The passenger side power windows work sporadically at best (and
didn't before she bought it).

Checking the OBD to see why the check engine light is on, I get 1-1-1 on
socket 2 and 1-4-4 and 1-4-3 on socket 6. Those check out as "missing
load signal from LH control unit" and "knock sensor signal missing." I
cleared the codes, we'll see how long they take to come back (and if any
others appear).

Any suggestions on further user-performable diagnostics to figure out
what's going on?

Thanks!

Usually problems like this can be attributed to dirty connections or bad
grounds. It would be worthwhile to clean the fuse panel contacts since
they are notorious for corroding in 240s, and there's a fuse holder
under the hood attached to the inner fender that can be problematic. The
sensors themselves rarely fail in my experience.

 

[Radioguy]

My wife's frustrating Volvo problems continue.  Jeez this thing seems to
be a lemon in sharp contrast to my 1990 240 and her previous 1990 240
and her 1987 245 before that.  Aaarggggh!

OK, here's the drill.  Recurrent check engine lights for most of the
past year.  Lousy, loping cold idle; has had MAF replaced, new vacuum
hose installed to the dash controls, IIRC a new O2 sensor, crank
position sensor, new battery, probably some other things I have
forgotten.  I posted about the brake booster a while back as a possible
source of the terrible idle, which passed all the tests I could find to
try.  The passenger side power windows work sporadically at best (and
didn't before she bought it).

Checking the OBD to see why the check engine light is on, I get 1-1-1 on
socket 2 and 1-4-4 and 1-4-3  on socket 6.  Those check out as "missing
load signal from LH control unit" and "knock sensor signal missing."  I
cleared the codes, we'll see how long they take to come back (and if any
others appear).

Any suggestions on further user-performable diagnostics to figure out
what's going on?

Thanks!

Have you checked all of the vacuum hoses and little plastic
connectors? A crack somewhare along the line could cause the problems
you identified.

Also, has the flame trap been replaced?

 

[Andy]

: Tim McNamara wrote:
: > My wife's frustrating Volvo problems continue. Jeez this thing seems to
: > be a lemon in sharp contrast to my 1990 240 and her previous 1990 240
: > and her 1987 245 before that. Aaarggggh!
: >
: > OK, here's the drill. Recurrent check engine lights for most of the
: > past year. Lousy, loping cold idle; has had MAF replaced, new vacuum
: > hose installed to the dash controls, IIRC a new O2 sensor, crank
: > position sensor, new battery, probably some other things I have
: > forgotten. I posted about the brake booster a while back as a possible
: > source of the terrible idle, which passed all the tests I could find to
: > try. The passenger side power windows work sporadically at best (and
: > didn't before she bought it).
: >
: > Checking the OBD to see why the check engine light is on, I get 1-1-1 on
: > socket 2 and 1-4-4 and 1-4-3 on socket 6. Those check out as "missing
: > load signal from LH control unit" and "knock sensor signal missing." I
: > cleared the codes, we'll see how long they take to come back (and if any
: > others appear).
: >
: > Any suggestions on further user-performable diagnostics to figure out
: > what's going on?
: >
: > Thanks!
:
:
: Usually problems like this can be attributed to dirty connections or bad
: grounds. It would be worthwhile to clean the fuse panel contacts since
: they are notorious for corroding in 240s, and there's a fuse holder
: under the hood attached to the inner fender that can be problematic. The
: sensors themselves rarely fail in my experience.


Hi Tim,

Further to the excellent advice from James (and I can vouch for the
"notorious" bit......), remove the fuses from the fuse panel and clean the
fuse panel brass contacts thoroughly by sanding or wire brushing until they
are shiny, similarly with the contacts on the fuses themselves; then coat
all contacts with dielectric grease before reinstalling the fuses.

Better still, throw out all the fuse panel fuses which have grey-coloured
contacts and replace them with same amp-value ceramic fuses with BRASS
contacts. This will eliminate the "galvanic action" which takes place
between dissimilar metals and causes the loss of continuity.

My local Volvo dealership did not stock these recommended fuses but I found
them in (sad to say....) an outfit catering to VW's!!

Good Luck.
Andy I. ('58 445 "wagon"; '65 122S wagon; '67 121 2-dr direct import;
'74 145 wagon; '74 142; '86 240 wagon; '93 240 "Classic"-model wagon; '97
850 AWD Turbo wagon.) All stick-shifts.

 

[James Sweet]

My local Volvo dealership did not stock these recommended fuses but I found
them in (sad to say....) an outfit catering to VW's!!

That's not surprising, nor do I find it particularly sad.
VW/Audi/Porsche makes extensive use of Bosch electrics, as does Volvo.
Many of the components are similar between the two cars, some are identical.

 

[ransley]

My wife's frustrating Volvo problems continue.  Jeez this thing seems to
be a lemon in sharp contrast to my 1990 240 and her previous 1990 240
and her 1987 245 before that.  Aaarggggh!

OK, here's the drill.  Recurrent check engine lights for most of the
past year.  Lousy, loping cold idle; has had MAF replaced, new vacuum
hose installed to the dash controls, IIRC a new O2 sensor, crank
position sensor, new battery, probably some other things I have
forgotten.  I posted about the brake booster a while back as a possible
source of the terrible idle, which passed all the tests I could find to
try.  The passenger side power windows work sporadically at best (and
didn't before she bought it).

Checking the OBD to see why the check engine light is on, I get 1-1-1 on
socket 2 and 1-4-4 and 1-4-3  on socket 6.  Those check out as "missing
load signal from LH control unit" and "knock sensor signal missing."  I
cleared the codes, we'll see how long they take to come back (and if any
others appear).

Any suggestions on further user-performable diagnostics to figure out
what's going on?

Thanks!

Sounds like my 2002, in 6 weeks this winter 6 things failed

 

[Andy]

:
: >
: > My local Volvo dealership did not stock these recommended fuses but I
found
: > them in (sad to say....) an outfit catering to VW's!!
: >
: >
:
:
: That's not surprising, nor do I find it particularly sad.
: VW/Audi/Porsche makes extensive use of Bosch electrics, as does Volvo.
: Many of the components are similar between the two cars, some are
identical.

Hi James,

The surprise was not that VW shared Bosch electrics with Volvo, but that VW
made a more sensible choice than Volvo concerning ceramic fuses; and I do
find that sad.

Andy I.

 

[Tim McNamara]

OK, the recommendations have included:

Usually problems like this can be attributed to dirty connections or
bad grounds. It would be worthwhile to clean the fuse panel contacts
since they are notorious for corroding in 240s, and there's a fuse
holder under the hood attached to the inner fender that can be
problematic. The sensors themselves rarely fail in my experience.

Further to the excellent advice from James (and I can vouch for the
"notorious" bit......), remove the fuses from the fuse panel and
clean the fuse panel brass contacts thoroughly by sanding or wire
brushing until they are shiny, similarly with the contacts on the
fuses themselves; then coat all contacts with dielectric grease
before reinstalling the fuses.

Better still, throw out all the fuse panel fuses which have
grey-coloured contacts and replace them with same amp-value ceramic
fuses with BRASS contacts. This will eliminate the "galvanic action"
which takes place between dissimilar metals and causes the loss of
continuity.

The knock sensors can fail, but more likely it just needs to have the
connection cleaned and electrical grease applied to protect it. If
the new MAF isn't OEM, I'd suspect that still being part of the
problem, as well as a yet-to-be-found vacuum leak.

Have you checked all of the vacuum hoses and little plastic
connectors? A crack somewhare along the line could cause the problems
you identified.

Also, has the flame trap been replaced?

So, the plan will be to check (or have checked, depending on how much
time I have) the electrical connections for the knock sensor, all of the
fuses in the driver's door panel and under the hood, replacing fuses
with aluminum contacts, and locating that pesky as-yet-elusive vacuum
leak.

I do think there is still a vacuum leak somewhere. I really thought it
was likely the brake booster- given the rhythmic quality of the "surge
and falter" at idle I figured that the volume of the brake booster made
it the best candidate. And maybe the vacuum leak is temperature
dependent since it seems to only happen well below freezing- something
has to shrink enough in the cold to leak.

Thanks!

 

[James Sweet]

OK, the recommendations have included:





So, the plan will be to check (or have checked, depending on how much
time I have) the electrical connections for the knock sensor, all of the
fuses in the driver's door panel and under the hood, replacing fuses
with aluminum contacts, and locating that pesky as-yet-elusive vacuum
leak.

I do think there is still a vacuum leak somewhere. I really thought it
was likely the brake booster- given the rhythmic quality of the "surge
and falter" at idle I figured that the volume of the brake booster made
it the best candidate. And maybe the vacuum leak is temperature
dependent since it seems to only happen well below freezing- something
has to shrink enough in the cold to leak.

Thanks!

You can plug or pinch off the hose to the brake booster to verify that,
if kinking the hose changes the way the engine runs then there is a
leak. Check the flexible air pipe between the air mass meter and intake
manifold too, sometimes the accordion pleats split and that will give
you a huge vacuum leak. I've also seen an intake manifold gasket damaged
by excessively vigorous pressure-washing that caused poor running.

 

[Tim McNamara]

You can plug or pinch off the hose to the brake booster to verify
that, if kinking the hose changes the way the engine runs then there
is a leak. Check the flexible air pipe between the air mass meter and
intake manifold too, sometimes the accordion pleats split and that
will give you a huge vacuum leak. I've also seen an intake manifold
gasket damaged by excessively vigorous pressure-washing that caused
poor running.

Thanks, I'll check for those too.

 

[z]

Thanks, I'll check for those too.

one thing people suggest is to spray propane or carb cleaner or some
such near the various hoses and connections and where there's a vacuum
leak it'll inhale some of the flammable stuff and speed up. never
worked for me, but that's maybe because i didn't have a leak.