Octane

[OUS]

My '95 850 Turbo Wagon runs much better on 93 Octane than the lesser ones
offered in my area (87 & 89). I try to buy only from Tier 1 stations and
those that are always busy, helping assure me that the fuel is fresh.

As our economy has weakened, most people I have talked to are now purchasing
lower octane fuel because of its lower cost per gallon.

So If I am the only person still purchasing higher octane gasoline, am I
going to begin to get stale gas? If so, how can I tell and how will it
affect my car?

I could purchase 87 octane and add octane booster but that would make my
cost per gallon considerably higher.

OUS

 

[ransley]

My '95 850 Turbo Wagon runs much better on 93 Octane than the lesser ones
offered in my area (87 & 89). I try to buy only from Tier 1 stations and
those that are always busy, helping assure me that the fuel is fresh.

As our economy has weakened, most people I have talked to are now purchasing
lower octane fuel because of its lower cost per gallon.

So If I am the only person still purchasing higher octane gasoline, am I
going to begin to get stale gas?  If so, how can I tell and how will it
affect my car?

I could purchase 87 octane and add octane booster but that would make my
cost per gallon considerably higher.

OUS

If you mean it runs smoother with HO then you need a tune up, if you
just like more power than ok, but HO doesnt increase milage anywhere
near enough to offset its extra cost.

 

[Leftie]

If you mean it runs smoother with HO then you need a tune up, if you
just like more power than ok, but HO doesnt increase milage anywhere
near enough to offset its extra cost.

Some high-performance cars do get better mileage on "HO" gas. My
Civic EX gets 10% better mileage on midgrade, which is more than enough
to offset the price difference. I'd suggest to the original poster that
he try midgrade. And to answer his question: stale gas has a distinct
odor, kind of like kerosene. You'll know it if you smell it.

 

[ransley]

    Some high-performance cars do get better mileage on "HO" gas. My
Civic EX gets 10% better mileage on midgrade, which is more than enough
to offset the price difference. I'd suggest to the original poster that
he try midgrade. And to answer his question: stale gas has a distinct
odor, kind of like kerosene. You'll know it if you smell it.- Hide quotedtext -

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All cars get a bit better milage with HO, my v40 gets maybe .10 - a
tenth mpg better, but that hardly equals the 10% plus price
difference, I go from 22.3 - 22.4 to 22.5 on HO on a same loop
driving. I would have to get near 25 mpg for the price difference to
may it a break even payback.

 

[Radioguy]

My '95 850 Turbo Wagon runs much better on 93 Octane than the lesser ones
offered in my area (87 & 89). I try to buy only from Tier 1 stations and
those that are always busy, helping assure me that the fuel is fresh.

I would be very surprised if your car ran much better on 93 octane
than on 91, 89 or 87. If this is true then the knock sensor might be
dead on your car.

As our economy has weakened, most people I have talked to are now purchasing
lower octane fuel because of its lower cost per gallon.

I understand that with a well tuned car one can eke out a small net
cost benefit by switching to lower octane gas. The difference is not
simply the difference in price per gallon however.

So If I am the only person still purchasing higher octane gasoline, am I
going to begin to get stale gas?  

I doubt that you are the only person buying high octane gas.

If so, how can I tell and how will it affect my car?

Just continue to buy at busy stations. I've driven cars for over 45
years and have yet to buy a tank of bad gasoline.

I could purchase 87 octane and add octane booster but that would make my
cost per gallon considerably higher.

Yes, you could do that. You should plug all the variables impacting
the net cost of gasoline to you as a consumer into a spreadsheet and
see what the real difference is.

 

[Guest]

My owner's manual calls for 91 octane. I don't know how much it would help
my car if I used 89. I can not hear engine knocks with 89 but that doesn't
mean they aren't happening. And I can't think that constantly retarding the
spark of the engine is healthy.

At this point I will stick with 93 and keep a sharp nose on the odor.

OUS

 

[Guest]

My '95 850 Turbo Wagon runs much better on 93 Octane than the lesser ones
offered in my area (87 & 89). I try to buy only from Tier 1 stations and
those that are always busy, helping assure me that the fuel is fresh.

I would be very surprised if your car ran much better on 93 octane
than on 91, 89 or 87. If this is true then the knock sensor might be
dead on your car.

I have no idea how well it runs on 91 octane, I have not seen it available
in my area. But on the 93 octane that is available, it runs much better
than on 89 or 87.

As our economy has weakened, most people I have talked to are now
purchasing
lower octane fuel because of its lower cost per gallon.

I understand that with a well tuned car one can eke out a small net
cost benefit by switching to lower octane gas. The difference is not
simply the difference in price per gallon however.

So If I am the only person still purchasing higher octane gasoline, am I
going to begin to get stale gas?

I doubt that you are the only person buying high octane gas.

If so, how can I tell and how will it affect my car?

Just continue to buy at busy stations. I've driven cars for over 45
years and have yet to buy a tank of bad gasoline.

I did buy bad gas at a Valero station when prices shot up last year. I was
able to recognise the problem before damage was done to my wife's Saturn.
It turns out that the propriator of the station was adding water to the
underground tanks to streach his supply. He is not in business now.

I could purchase 87 octane and add octane booster but that would make my
cost per gallon considerably higher.

Yes, you could do that. You should plug all the variables impacting
the net cost of gasoline to you as a consumer into a spreadsheet and
see what the real difference is.

I am more concerned with the health of my car than the price of fuel at
least at this point. I'll stick with buying premium.

 

[James Sweet]

My owner's manual calls for 91 octane. I don't know how much it would help
my car if I used 89. I can not hear engine knocks with 89 but that doesn't
mean they aren't happening. And I can't think that constantly retarding the
spark of the engine is healthy.

At this point I will stick with 93 and keep a sharp nose on the odor.

OUS

Lower octane will probably not hurt anything, there's a pretty
significant safety margin, but I would stick with what the manufacture
recommends. If the car was designed to take advantage of high octane
fuel then I don't see much reason to skimp, even at the peak of high gas
prices, it was only a few dollars more per tank than the low grade
stuff, yet a lot of people blow the money they saved in gas on a single
latte on the way to work.

Generally gas stations will order less of a grade that isn't moving as
quickly so they don't get stuck with stale fuel. So long as you buy from
a reputable station you shouldn't have a problem.

 

[Leftie]

All cars get a bit better milage with HO, my v40 gets maybe .10 - a
tenth mpg better, but that hardly equals the 10% plus price
difference, I go from 22.3 - 22.4 to 22.5 on HO on a same loop
driving. I would have to get near 25 mpg for the price difference to
may it a break even payback.

No, not all cars get better mileage on HO - it depends on their
design and the driving conditions. Our '95 Camry gets better mileage on
regular, as long as there aren't a lot of hills involved. So did my old
Civic.

 

[Leftie]

Lower octane will probably not hurt anything, there's a pretty
significant safety margin, but I would stick with what the manufacture
recommends. If the car was designed to take advantage of high octane
fuel then I don't see much reason to skimp, even at the peak of high gas
prices, it was only a few dollars more per tank than the low grade
stuff, yet a lot of people blow the money they saved in gas on a single
latte on the way to work.

Generally gas stations will order less of a grade that isn't moving as
quickly so they don't get stuck with stale fuel. So long as you buy from
a reputable station you shouldn't have a problem.

It should also be noted that "Midgrade" isn't a separate gasoline.
It's actually a pump-blended mixture of Regular and Super, so as long as
people are buying Midgrade, the Super is getting used up.

 

[Leftie]

My owner's manual calls for 91 octane. I don't know how much it would help
my car if I used 89. I can not hear engine knocks with 89 but that doesn't
mean they aren't happening. And I can't think that constantly retarding the
spark of the engine is healthy.

At this point I will stick with 93 and keep a sharp nose on the odor.

OUS

240 knock sensors - like the rest of the engine wiring - can stop
working because of corroded connections, but as long as yours is
working, 89 octane will work fine. In fact, if you are driving on more
or less level ground and not racing Acuras, you're wasting your money on
Premium.

 

[James Sweet]

240 knock sensors - like the rest of the engine wiring - can stop
working because of corroded connections, but as long as yours is
working, 89 octane will work fine. In fact, if you are driving on more
or less level ground and not racing Acuras, you're wasting your money on
Premium.

I didn't think this was a 240? If it was, then plain old 87 octane would
be fine. The only 240s that require premium are the turbo models.

 

[Leftie]

I didn't think this was a 240? If it was, then plain old 87 octane would
be fine. The only 240s that require premium are the turbo models.

You're right - it's an 850 turbo. I was confusing the thread with
the one about the B200 engine. I still think that Midgrade would suffice
for normal driving, though.

 

[OUS]

I did not know that! This knowledge only makes me more suspicious of
midgrade.

I'm sticking with 93.

OUS

 

[James Sweet]

You're right - it's an 850 turbo. I was confusing the thread with
the one about the B200 engine. I still think that Midgrade would suffice
for normal driving, though.

Yes, mid grade should be fine, it's a good compromise.

On a 240 Turbo I would recommend premium though, especially if you have
turned up the boost beyond stock. Those have no knock sensor so your
ears are the last line of defense.

 

[OUS]

There has been no level ground here since the last ice age. And no sissy
Acura dares challenge my '95 850 turbo wagon. :>)

OUS

 

[James Sweet]

I did not know that! This knowledge only makes me more suspicious of
midgrade.

I'm sticking with 93.

OUS

Why be suspicious? If you mix something containing more octane with
something containing less octane, you will get something in the middle.

Sticking with 93 certainly won't hurt anything though, it sounds like
the peace of mind will be worth a few extra dollars to you.

 

[OUS]

A well maintained 240 might could take my lumber wagon if the wagon was
fully loaded. The driver rarely is.

OUS

 

[Guest]

You could also mix it with 87 and nothing. Selling it at the 89 price.

Still gonna stick to the 93, I think.

OUS

 

[Someone]

FWIW, using HO gasoline provides me with better mileage, but only on
the highway, about 10% better or slightly more. In the city, I barely
see any difference, Of course, I see a difference when I accelerate
in city/highway.

Cars used for tests were all non-turbo and 240s and a 740 and S90/960.

My 2 cents.