Over heating 940 Turbo

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Hay glad I found this group!

I've owned a 940 Turbo for a couple of years and it has been a great
car. However yesterday it over heated. Had added fluid to the over
flow that morning because it was almost dry but about 10 minutes down
the road I noticed the temperature gauge all the way up and a fine
spray covering the back window. Thought maybe I didn't put the
overflow cap on tight so let it cool and added water. However same
thing happed again. Was watching the gauge this time and it heated up
to the right temperature and stayed there but after about 5 minutes the
temp shot right up. Playing amateur mechanic, I decided that the fan
clutch was bad and wasn't kicking in to cool the radiator. Obviously
that wasn't it, over heated again! Then tightened the belt going to
the water pump and still over heated. This time it was in my driveway,
and when it got up to temp I noticed a small trickle of water getting
pushed out thru the over flow cap and when I shut the car off and
cracked the over flow cap open a bit, a sound that I can only guess as
water boiling in the block. I keep thinking the thermostat is working
as it heats right up to the proper temperature and only after 5 minutes
or so does the temperature gauge start to climb.

Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Alex
 
AlexL said:
Hay glad I found this group!

I've owned a 940 Turbo for a couple of years and it has been a great
car. However yesterday it over heated. Had added fluid to the over
flow that morning because it was almost dry but about 10 minutes down
the road I noticed the temperature gauge all the way up and a fine
spray covering the back window. Thought maybe I didn't put the
overflow cap on tight so let it cool and added water. However same
thing happed again. Was watching the gauge this time and it heated up
to the right temperature and stayed there but after about 5 minutes the
temp shot right up. Playing amateur mechanic, I decided that the fan
clutch was bad and wasn't kicking in to cool the radiator. Obviously
that wasn't it, over heated again! Then tightened the belt going to
the water pump and still over heated. This time it was in my driveway,
and when it got up to temp I noticed a small trickle of water getting
pushed out thru the over flow cap and when I shut the car off and
cracked the over flow cap open a bit, a sound that I can only guess as
water boiling in the block. I keep thinking the thermostat is working
as it heats right up to the proper temperature and only after 5 minutes
or so does the temperature gauge start to climb.
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You've pretty much answered your own question, but not put 2 and 2 together.
Your symptoms are a classic stuck shut thermostat...

The radiator is still cold when the water is boiling yes?

Tim..
 
Thermostats fail. You can just remove it and see if the car runs too
cold. Hopefully it does. Start the car with the reservoir cap off and
see if the coolant shows signs of bubbling. That might indicate a
condition where the exhaust is leaking into the coolant- that could be
a leaking head gasket, cracked block or cracked head. it could also be
trapped air.

When it gets warmed up. Stop the motor and run your hand over the
radiator to feel for even heating of the core. That would show that it
is not blocked.

Depending on how badly it overheated, it could have warped the head. A
mechanic can do a leakdown test, or even use an exhaust gas analyzer
to check for CO content at the reservoir.

If it was running well with no performance problems we can
fairly-safely eliminate things like dragging brakes, timing problems,
overly-lean fuel:air mix, etc.

If it boils coolant out then it is important to completely refill the
motor. Air can get trapped in the block which can cause overheating.
For the 240s I think the book says to run the motor until warmed up
with the coolant reservoir cap off to allow the air to be purged, but
there are special tools (pressure or vacuum fillers) to pull the air
out I think.

It is also possible tha tthe water ump has a problem like the impeller
separating from the shaft, but that would be a stretch I would think.



AlexL said:
Hay glad I found this group!

I've owned a 940 Turbo for a couple of years and it has been a great
car. However yesterday it over heated. Had added fluid to the over
flow that morning because it was almost dry but about 10 minutes down
the road I noticed the temperature gauge all the way up and a fine
spray covering the back window. Thought maybe I didn't put the
overflow cap on tight so let it cool and added water. However same
thing happed again. Was watching the gauge this time and it heated up
to the right temperature and stayed there but after about 5 minutes the
temp shot right up. Playing amateur mechanic, I decided that the fan
clutch was bad and wasn't kicking in to cool the radiator. Obviously
that wasn't it, over heated again! Then tightened the belt going to
the water pump and still over heated. This time it was in my driveway,
and when it got up to temp I noticed a small trickle of water getting
pushed out thru the over flow cap and when I shut the car off and
cracked the over flow cap open a bit, a sound that I can only guess as
water boiling in the block. I keep thinking the thermostat is working
as it heats right up to the proper temperature and only after 5 minutes
or so does the temperature gauge start to climb.

Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Alex
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Randy & \ \/ /alerie's
\__/olvos
'90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate
"Shelby" & "Kate"
 
does the heater work?..if not, the coolant is
not in the block....be careful not to overheat the
car too much...as, it is $1,000 or so to change
a head gasket on a 940t...(i know :-( ... ) make
sure to fix it while it is a "small problem"....my
$.02......good luck !!....can you see any coolant
leaking while idling in the driveway??
 
Hay thanks a bunch guys...

The radiator wasn't nearly as hot as I'd expect so there may be
something to this thermostat thing. Was running the heater full blast
trying to get a little bit further down the road, it works 100% -
hairdryers aren't as hot!

I did pull the thermostat out to look at but it has some sort of rubber
seal around the edge and think water would leak if I left the whole
thing out.

Damn, thought for sure I reasoned out the thermostat...but will pick
one up tomorrow morning and give it a try. Will let you know how it
turned out.

Thanks again.
Alex
 
$1000 to replace a head gasket?

Boy, am I glad I taught myself to work on cars.

Moral of the story: if you don't know how to work on cars, the repair
costs of maintaining a Volvo Turbo car will most likely eat you alive.

Not for the feint of heart, or they without mechanical ability, but
they're great when they are in tip-top form.

"Zen and the Art of Volvo Turbo Maintenance"
 
AlexL said:
Hay glad I found this group!

I've owned a 940 Turbo for a couple of years and it has been a great
car. However yesterday it over heated. Had added fluid to the over
flow that morning because it was almost dry but about 10 minutes down
the road I noticed the temperature gauge all the way up and a fine
spray covering the back window. Thought maybe I didn't put the
overflow cap on tight so let it cool and added water. However same
thing happed again. Was watching the gauge this time and it heated up
to the right temperature and stayed there but after about 5 minutes the
temp shot right up. Playing amateur mechanic, I decided that the fan
clutch was bad and wasn't kicking in to cool the radiator. Obviously
that wasn't it, over heated again! Then tightened the belt going to
the water pump and still over heated. This time it was in my driveway,
and when it got up to temp I noticed a small trickle of water getting
pushed out thru the over flow cap and when I shut the car off and
cracked the over flow cap open a bit, a sound that I can only guess as
water boiling in the block. I keep thinking the thermostat is working
as it heats right up to the proper temperature and only after 5 minutes
or so does the temperature gauge start to climb.

Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Alex
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Remove the pressure cap (on the cold engine, of course!) and check it for
cracks running parallel to the threads. It shouldn't vent except under
extreme conditions, and cracks are common. The gurgling is normal with a
warm engine after shutdown even if it isn't overheating, especially for the
turbo models.

Mike
 
$1000 to replace a head gasket?

Boy, am I glad I taught myself to work on cars.

Moral of the story: if you don't know how to work on cars, the repair
costs of maintaining a Volvo Turbo car will most likely eat you alive.

Not for the feint of heart, or they without mechanical ability, but
they're great when they are in tip-top form.

"Zen and the Art of Volvo Turbo Maintenance"
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But if you do know how to work on them they're wonderful, very easy to
work on, lots of space under the hood, easy to find parts.
 
i work on them a bit...but, i didn't feel good doing a head gasket
swap...and, i needed it done asap, as it was my daily driver...i think
it took my volvo guy, like 10 hrs or so start to finish, a lot of stuff
had
to come off the motor to do this......they can sure get hot.......
 
Well, replaced the thermostat and it works! The top of the thermostat
had come apart - there wasn't any thing for the plunger to push
against, so it could not open. Will flush the cooling system and
change the oil soon, hopefully not too much damage was done.

Thanks for all the help...you will hear back from me I'm sure!

Thanks again.
 
thats good news AlexL.....just remember to take overheating
very serious in these 940t's.....Or, have $1k saved up (or
11 hrs of labor and a good garage "set aside") in the event you
get her real hot and blow the head gasket......Me, I was driving
@ 80-90mph on open Wy highways and I was trying to "limp"
after throwing off plums of white smoke (busted coolant hose)
to the nearest farm house / phone....She just got too hot on me...but
not so hot as to do much more damge...like melt the plastic electrical
fittings and hoses/clamps (like my mechanic has seen)....

how do you like the 940t? it is a great mid 90's sedan, eh?
 
Yeah, fingers crossed - don't think I did too much damage. As for the
car...I love everything about it except for the fact that all the
plastic inside is broken/ratty and the leather seats are a mess.
Mechanically I think it is a solid car. Maybe could use all new
bushings, drive shaft supports (clunks when going between either
forward or reverse), new shocks but other than that... Just cosmetic
and I really don't care about that. I use it like a truck.

Thanks again everyone for the help.
Alex
 
One final question to put this to rest went to flush out the cooling
system... The manual says to open the "petcock" on the block to drain
the coolant. For the life of me I could not find one...can anyone clue
me in where to look on the 940 Turbo motor?

Thanks
Alex
 
AlexL said:
One final question to put this to rest went to flush out the cooling
system... The manual says to open the "petcock" on the block to drain
the coolant. For the life of me I could not find one...can anyone clue
me in where to look on the 940 Turbo motor?

Thanks
Alex
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It might be a translation error and they just mean the typical threaded
bolt?
 
Steve said:
It might be a translation error and they just mean the typical threaded
bolt?
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Not sure about the 900's, but 240's and 740's have a petcock with a
barbed fitting on it on the lower side of the engine block towards the
back near the exhaust manifold. I normally just pull off the lower
radiator hose over a bucket though.
 
James Sweet said:
Not sure about the 900's, but 240's and 740's have a petcock with a
barbed fitting on it on the lower side of the engine block towards the
back near the exhaust manifold. I normally just pull off the lower
radiator hose over a bucket though.
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That was my technique for yeas too, but on the occasions where I find the
block drain it drains quite well.

Those prestone reverse flush kits work great too, but its been years now...
 
AlexL said:
One final question to put this to rest went to flush out the cooling
system... The manual says to open the "petcock" on the block to drain
the coolant. For the life of me I could not find one...can anyone clue
me in where to look on the 940 Turbo motor?

Thanks
Alex
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The petcock disappeared with the advent of the water cooled oil cooler
on the 940 turbos. See that pipe that comes out of the block, then
connects to a hose that joins on the "thing" at the base of the oil
filter? That's where the petcock used to be. (The "thing" is the oil
cooler.)

--
Mike F.
Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont.

Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly.
(But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.)
 
Ok then, no petcock...I did the lower radiator hose deal (man was that
a bastard to get off and back on!) but upon refill, only got about 8
quarts of the 10 specified into the system... I suspect the other two
were/are still in there somewhere. I'll continue to top off with
strait coolant for a while to make up.

Thank you all. The car runs like a champ again! May just fire my
mechanic! <NOT!>
Alex
 
AlexL said:
Ok then, no petcock...I did the lower radiator hose deal (man was that
a bastard to get off and back on!) but upon refill, only got about 8
quarts of the 10 specified into the system... I suspect the other two
were/are still in there somewhere. I'll continue to top off with
strait coolant for a while to make up.
Click to expand...

Run the car at idle up to temp with the coolant cap off (or at least
loose) to allow air to escape from the system... that's what the
manual says I think...


__ __
Randy & \ \/ /alerie's
\__/olvos
'90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate
"Shelby" & "Kate"
 
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