Tare weight of 2-series?

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I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the
web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light
or quote vague "ranges" of weight.

The reason that I'm trying to find a weight is that the original weight
of the "heaviest sedan variant" is used to determine the maximum engine
capacity permitted where I am.

It's explained here:
<http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi06.pdf>

In summary, heaviest sedan variant can be 2-door or 4-door but not a
wagon. The weight is supposed to include all fluids at normal levels,
10 litres of fuel and no people or luggage. Standard equipment counts
but options don't, so a GLE coming standard with power steering, A/C,
etc. counts but not extras such as a towbar.

To be allowed to put turbochargers on the 350 chev in my Volvo, I need
to be able to show that the heaviest sedan variant weighed over 1434kg
(3155lbs). Otherwise, I'll have to source a 327 crankshaft and rebuild
the engine to the smaller capacity...

Any suggestions?
 
athol said:
I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the
web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light
or quote vague "ranges" of weight.

The reason that I'm trying to find a weight is that the original weight
of the "heaviest sedan variant" is used to determine the maximum engine
capacity permitted where I am.

It's explained here:
<http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi06.pdf>

In summary, heaviest sedan variant can be 2-door or 4-door but not a
wagon. The weight is supposed to include all fluids at normal levels,
10 litres of fuel and no people or luggage. Standard equipment counts
but options don't, so a GLE coming standard with power steering, A/C,
etc. counts but not extras such as a towbar.

To be allowed to put turbochargers on the 350 chev in my Volvo, I need
to be able to show that the heaviest sedan variant weighed over 1434kg
(3155lbs). Otherwise, I'll have to source a 327 crankshaft and rebuild
the engine to the smaller capacity...

Any suggestions?

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How would they ever know whether the engine was a 327 or a 350?

IIRC the heaviest sedan model was right around 3100 lbs, there's so many
variables though I don't know how you could possibly specify it down to
within a hundred pounds or so. Why don't you weigh the car? Any metal scrap
yard should have a vehicle scale.
 
James Sweet said:
How would they ever know whether the engine was a 327 or a 350?
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It can be done. Not easy but possible. Unfortunately, aside from
the fact that I would know, the receipt that I have for the engine
clearly states that it's a 350.
IIRC the heaviest sedan model was right around 3100 lbs,
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I found reference to early 264GLEs and 244GLTs over the 3155lbs that I
was looking for. I just need to find a viable way of proving it...
there's so many
variables though I don't know how you could possibly specify it down to
within a hundred pounds or so.
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Vehicle manufacturers specify down to far less. Often, they'll specify
the weight of a car to an odd number of kg, but the AU model will have a
different specified weight to the US model, Canadian model, etc..
Why don't you weigh the car? Any metal scrap
yard should have a vehicle scale.
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The weight I have to use is the original manufacturer's weight, not as
modified.

So far, I've found this web site that has dubious accuracy:
<http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=106315>

The reason why I question it's accuracy is that the vehicle listed is a
1980 240 Turbo (no such thing) and the 1980 264GLE is listed as much
lighter than it should be and has the 2.8L engine capacity listed instead
of the 2.7L.

I'm hoping that I'll be able to confirm the weight of a 240GLT as 1440kg
because that would solve the problem. :-)
 
It can be done. Not easy but possible. Unfortunately, aside from
the fact that I would know, the receipt that I have for the engine
clearly states that it's a 350.
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I'm not sure I understand the significance? I guess things are different
there but here nobody would care what the displacement of the engine is.
The reason why I question it's accuracy is that the vehicle listed is a
1980 240 Turbo (no such thing) and the 1980 264GLE is listed as much
lighter than it should be and has the 2.8L engine capacity listed instead
of the 2.7L.
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I know someone who has or had a 1980 240 Turbo, they didn't make very many
of them but they did make them.
 
James Sweet said:
I'm not sure I understand the significance? I guess things are different
there but here nobody would care what the displacement of the engine is.
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Bureaucrats care. :-p
I know someone who has or had a 1980 240 Turbo, they didn't make very many
of them but they did make them.
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It was called a "240", not a "244" in 1980?
 
athol said:
I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the
web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light
or quote vague "ranges" of weight.

The reason that I'm trying to find a weight is that the original weight
of the "heaviest sedan variant" is used to determine the maximum engine
capacity permitted where I am.

It's explained here:
<http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi06.pdf>

In summary, heaviest sedan variant can be 2-door or 4-door but not a
wagon. The weight is supposed to include all fluids at normal levels,
10 litres of fuel and no people or luggage. Standard equipment counts
but options don't, so a GLE coming standard with power steering, A/C,
etc. counts but not extras such as a towbar.

To be allowed to put turbochargers on the 350 chev in my Volvo, I need
to be able to show that the heaviest sedan variant weighed over 1434kg
(3155lbs). Otherwise, I'll have to source a 327 crankshaft and rebuild
the engine to the smaller capacity...

Any suggestions?
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will the owners manual do? It isn't always pointed out that those
weights include the driver. Otherwise the diesel (1369) is slightly
heavier than the turbo (1364). Some markets had 244 GLT's with the V6,
these might be heavier. 1980 turbo's could be police versions, or you
might put it down to the volvo practice of introducing 81 models in the
fall of '80.
 
athol said:
I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the
web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light
or quote vague "ranges" of weight.
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That's never been easy. Depending on what country and what the car is,
all sorts of "standards" might have been used. In the US, in the 40's
some cars' weights were listed dry, and without tires, but that was
not generally advertised. I think it might have had something to do
with registration or shipping fees, but that's hjust a guess.


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Is there not a weight listed on the door sticker with the VIN, date of
manufacture, etc? Of course, no Volvo came with a 350 chevy."The weight
I have to use is the original manufacturer's weight, not as
modified." I know you said heaviest variant at the beginning, but if the
issue of truth about a 350 instead of a 327 troubles you, I guess if
your door sticker has a weight that doesn't meet the requirement, that
should trouble you also. Good Luck.
 
JDG said:
Is there not a weight listed on the door sticker with the VIN, date of
manufacture, etc?
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Door sticker? No such thing on an Australian market vehicle.
Of course, no Volvo came with a 350 chevy."The weight
I have to use is the original manufacturer's weight, not as
modified." I know you said heaviest variant at the beginning, but if the
issue of truth about a 350 instead of a 327 troubles you, I guess if
your door sticker has a weight that doesn't meet the requirement, that
should trouble you also. Good Luck.
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The rule here applies to the heaviest variant, not to the actual car.

Because of what I do for a living, my own vehicle has to be beyond
reproach. If not, I could genuinely jeopardise my career.

Pretending that a 350 is a 327 could be a serious issue. Proving that a
turbocharged 350 is okay would eliminate the problem.
 
JDG said:
Googled it and looks like 1293 kg for a 1980 262 GL.
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The factory weight of an AU market '80 264GLE is 1390kg...

I don't think that there is even any such thing as an '80 262 GL.
By '80, the 262 was a Bertone 262C.
 
athol said:
If I can find a completely independant source that gives the same number,
preferrably in the form of a number on registration documents or a
genuine Volvo document, I'll be right...

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The Dutch vehicle registration authority lists 240 turbo's at 1305 kg,
and a diesel at 1335kg. Will figures for a 264 do?
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m-gineering said:
The Dutch vehicle registration authority lists 240 turbo's at 1305 kg,
and a diesel at 1335kg. Will figures for a 264 do?
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They are the same chassis, so yes, a 264 weight would be fine.
 
athol said:
I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the
web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light
or quote vague "ranges" of weight.

The reason that I'm trying to find a weight is that the original weight
of the "heaviest sedan variant" is used to determine the maximum engine
capacity permitted where I am.

It's explained here:
<http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi06.pdf>

In summary, heaviest sedan variant can be 2-door or 4-door but not a
wagon. The weight is supposed to include all fluids at normal levels,
10 litres of fuel and no people or luggage. Standard equipment counts
but options don't, so a GLE coming standard with power steering, A/C,
etc. counts but not extras such as a towbar.

To be allowed to put turbochargers on the 350 chev in my Volvo, I need
to be able to show that the heaviest sedan variant weighed over 1434kg
(3155lbs). Otherwise, I'll have to source a 327 crankshaft and rebuild
the engine to the smaller capacity...
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Got it:
go to https://info.apk.nl/ovi/OviInvoer.aspx

this is the offical register of our road vehicle licencing authority in
the Netherlands

type in ZJ-HN-10 in the yellow licence plate (note capitals!)
hit "zoeken"

massa ledig voertuig = 1530 kg (mass empty vehicle)
 
M-gineering said:
Got it:
go to https://info.apk.nl/ovi/OviInvoer.aspx
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this is the offical register of our road vehicle licencing authority in
the Netherlands
Click to expand...
type in ZJ-HN-10 in the yellow licence plate (note capitals!)
hit "zoeken"
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I'm guessing that this is the details of a specific car?
massa ledig voertuig = 1530 kg (mass empty vehicle)
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Eek! That's far heavier than expected!

Let's see... 264 TE (never heard of TE before), Blue, petrol, 6-cylinder,
Built 1 July 1977, entered Netherlands 25 May 1999, current rego renewed
28 June 2005, expires 3 June 2006. Oh, and they haven't got the engine
capacity, gross mass or tow rating on their records...

How'd I do?
 
athol said:
I'm guessing that this is the details of a specific car?
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yes, you can look up your own car and see when it is due for it's MOT
etc. I had to troll a few websites for a picture of a nice and heavy
264.
Eek! That's far heavier than expected!

Let's see... 264 TE (never heard of TE before), Blue, petrol, 6-cylinder,
Built 1 July 1977, entered Netherlands 25 May 1999, current rego renewed
28 June 2005, expires 3 June 2006. Oh, and they haven't got the engine
capacity, gross mass or tow rating on their records...

How'd I do?
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correct, standard 264.s are around 1330, but this is a special import so
they didn't bother with the all the details. But they made sure they got
the weight right, as that is used for -heavy- taxation ;)
 
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