Is it me or do others find the Torx head fasteners a real pain, They seem to be used most it the car industries and I don't doubt that when it comes to assembly lines that air driven tools can be located quickly into these type of fasteners. But when it come to getting the bloody things out ! No matter the quality of the Torx bits it always seems hit or miss if the thing will grip and turn. I know lying in the drive with ice cold wind whistling up your trouser leg, your hands so cold you can feel them, the kids crying, the teas gone cold, the mortgage payments are to high, the wife mothers on the phone don't help but give me a hex head any time. My rant for the day.....ttfn.....Alistair