tyre choice for V70

Discussion in 'Volvo V70' started by Tim Hobbs, Jul 16, 2004.

  1. Tim Hobbs

    Tim Hobbs Guest

    Hi guys - great group, I've been lurking for a while. I'm a new Volvo
    driver with a 2003 2.4 V70. I'm up to almost 17,000 miles now, but
    having done 5000 miles in the last 5 weeks my front tyres are shot.

    Anyone have any opinions on the best fitment? My main criticism of
    the V70 is that it has quite a lot of road noise on the Pirelli P6000
    - can anyone recommend anything quieter? My main aim is comfort and
    reasonable wear rate than ultimate handling or performance.

    Thanks for any suggestions!


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    Tim Hobbs

    '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
    '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
    '95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (FOR SALE)
    '03 Volvo V70

    My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
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    Tim Hobbs, Jul 16, 2004
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  2. Tim Hobbs

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    Yes the P6000's are alittle noisy (I have them on my Focus, and S70) but
    they're a hardish compound so wear well. You can't have good wear and
    quietness. I had some Mich Premacy's previously on the Focus- they did
    ~3000miles less distance, and were very slightly quieter.

    Tim..
     
    Guest, Jul 17, 2004
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  3. You should rotate your tires every 5,000 miles. Since your front tires
    are the primary tires for braking and cornering, it is important to have
    your best tires in front. It also extends tire life.

    I have an '01 V70 XC and the AWD does help with tire mileage. Also, the
    V70 has Pirelli Scorpion S/T's which I think are fantastic all season
    tires. They probably aren't availabe for your wheels. I believe they
    only come in 215/65R16.
     
    Stephen M. Henning, Jul 17, 2004
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  4. This is not quite correct. Yes you should rotate your tyres but the
    best tyres should always be on the rear. The reason for this is that
    you don't want the rear end losing traction before the front as it is
    invariably much harder to control oversteer than understeer.

    HTH

    Andy
     
    Andy Cunningham, Jul 18, 2004
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  5. That sounds noble in principle but is infact absurd in practice. First,
    anti-lock braking systems eliminate this problem. Second, by rotating
    the tires putting the most worn in the front, they wear evenly both
    front and rear and there is no difference in stopping ability. This is
    safe. If you don't rotate or just leave the most worn on the front,
    then the front will become thread-bare before the rear gets the beads
    worn off and it will be very unsafe. It is safest to keep the tires
    matched in brand, tread, size, and wear.
     
    Stephen M. Henning, Jul 19, 2004
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  6. Well I'd be very grateful if you could tell me how ABS prevents the
    rear end sliding sideways. I'm not talking about the rear wheels
    locking up under braking I'm talking about the back end stepping out
    in a corner.
    I'm not sure you read my post properly. I did in fact say that it is
    essential to rotate the tyres. By keeping an eye on things it is
    possible to rotate the tyres so that the "best" are always on the
    back.

    HTH

    Andy
     
    Andy Cunningham, Jul 19, 2004
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  7. Me again! I didn't ask you this last time, but what has nobility got
    to do with it?

    Anyway, to lend additional weight to my argument please read the
    following from Michelins homepage:

    http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/auto/auto_cons_bib_pqr_neuf.jsp

    Virtually every tyre manufacturer (well the 6 or so I decided to
    check) gives identical advice.

    So to the OP, fit your new tyres to the rear of your vehicle safe in
    the knowledge that unlike Mr. Henning you will not be backing it into
    the nearest ditch.

    HTH

    Andy
     
    Andy Cunningham, Jul 19, 2004
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  8. Actually this is impossible since the front tires wear MUCH faster than
    the rear tires. You can never rotate the best tires to the back because
    the rear tires will always be the best tires until you buy new tires to
    replace the worn out front tires.

    The only cars where front tires don't wear faster than rear tires are
    dragsters and similar high powered cars that drive in a straight line
    and accelerate rapidly.

    Any time in an ordinary car, when you maintain a rotation schedule on
    matched tires and rotate tires you are moving the most worn tires to the
    back and the best tires to the front. It is impossible to do othewise
    since front tires wear fastest.
     
    Stephen M. Henning, Jul 19, 2004
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  9. Tim Hobbs

    Rob Guenther Guest

    There was a huge article in, I believe Motor Trend magazine about this whole
    thing. Michelin tested a Nissan Altima with good tires at the rear and 1/2
    worn up front, and 1/2 worn tires at the rear, and the good ones up front.
    In the water test, the car with the bad tires up front started to plow
    forward a little sooner then the test car with all good tires, but it was
    very predictable and easy to manage. With the bad rear tires, out of nowhere
    in a hard turn the rear end broke loose, resulting in a bad skid.
     
    Rob Guenther, Jul 20, 2004
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  10. The discussion was not about tires which were different. It was about
    rotating matched tires. The purpose of rotating is to keep the tires
    matched. However, the front tires wear fastest on everything except
    drag racers. Hence, when rotating tires, one is always, yes always,
    rotating the most worn tires to the rear. I don't know of a single tire
    company that doesn't recommend rotating tires. Hence, this is a very
    acceptable and highly recommended practice.
     
    Stephen M. Henning, Jul 20, 2004
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  11. Tim Hobbs

    Tim Hobbs Guest

    The discussion was not about tires which were different. It was about
    I'm afraid I don't agree with your statement that one is necessarily
    rotating the most worn tyres to the rear. When I bought my new tyres
    this weekend, I could have rotated them by putting the new ones on the
    rear and moving the part worn ones from the rear to the front. It
    would actually have made sense to do so - I too would prefer the best
    / least worn tyres at the rear.

    When I got the Volvo I did have a play with it - putting it too fast
    into corners and generally provoking it by lifting off mid-corner,
    braking through bends etc. The DSTC is rather better than I expected
    it to be. The laws of physics still apply though.

    I've had a number of quite powerful rear drive cars (Nissan 200SX,
    Jaguar XJR for two) and both wore the rear tyres much faster than the
    fronts (about 10k and 8k miles per pair respectively). The V70 has
    worn it's fronts almost to the wear indicators in 17K, but there is
    about 1/3 tread left on rears. I don't rotate the tyres simply
    because my mileage is so high that I tend to be at the tyre fitter
    every 3-6 months.

    My tyre fitter (who has fitted almost every tyre I've bought in the
    last ten years) recommended Michelin Pilot Sports. Before looking at
    the car he told me that the Pirelli P6000 would have uneven wear from
    block to block. With the car on the ramps we looked at the rears and
    sure enough there is a very pronounced (1mm or so) castellation effect
    between each tread block. In actual fact the blocks are wearing on a
    slope. The cause is that the Pirelli carcass allows the steel cross
    bands to move slightly, giving a twist. If it gets much worse I'll be
    junking the tyres before they are much more worn.

    I'll just add that my tyre fitter is 'owned' by Michelin (and
    definitely promotes Michelin) but he did tell me about the problem
    with my tyres before he saw the car.

    I'd say the Michelin's are perhaps a tad quieter. There's been no
    serious rain yet so I can't comment on wet performance, but there are
    three very substantial grooves which should make them work well.

    Looks like being a good month for my tyre fitter - a set of four for
    the Passat and two for the V70 this weekend. Turns out my wife needs
    a pair on the front of her A-Class and I'll be back for V70 rears
    pretty soon too!

    Thanks for your comments guys.



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    Tim Hobbs

    '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
    '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
    '95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (FOR SALE)
    '03 Volvo V70

    My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
    Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
    Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
     
    Tim Hobbs, Jul 20, 2004
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