Volvo AWD vs. Subaru AWD

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Tmuldoon, Mar 14, 2005.

  1. Tmuldoon

    Tmuldoon Guest

    Hi!

    Are there any Volvo owner out there who also have a Subaru?

    I am seeking a decent AWD car for a good price, good reliability and
    always decent cost.

    Anyone care to share any experiences?

    Thanks,

    Tmuld.
     
    Tmuldoon, Mar 14, 2005
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  2. Tmuldoon

    arthur wouk Guest

    :Are there any Volvo owner out there who also have a Subaru?
    :
    :I am seeking a decent AWD car for a good price, good reliability and
    :always decent cost.
    :
    :Anyone care to share any experiences?

    had a '96 subaru legacy gt wagon till about two years ago, in
    addition to my volvos (wife's car). the gt is important. it had the
    2.5 liter engine instead of the 2.3(?) liter which preceded it. with
    the 2.3, the vehicle was way too underpowered. it would have needed a
    turbo to be satisfactory. with the 2.5 is was almost adequately
    powered, but could have used a turbo, as well. aside from that it was
    a very nice car but not as comfortable as any of my volvos (currently a
    '91 940T and a '92 960). handled pretty well. still gutless in
    mountain driving which is an bummer here in colorado. gas mileage was
    at most 20 even on the highway. build was quite good and the car seemed
    very durable. maintenance was not expensive. that year required
    premium gas. i believe that later years were able to use regular
    leaded.
     
    arthur wouk, Mar 14, 2005
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  3. I had a Subaru Legacy LS and have a Volvo XC70. There is no comparison.
    The Subaru was a nice driving car but spent a lot of time and my money
    in the shop. I had to get rid of it at 110,000 miles because the rust
    was so bad that it would not pass Pennsylvania State Inspection. It had
    no resale value. The frame and brake system were so badly corroded they
    were unsafe. I have driven 8 Volvos over 120,000 miles and never had
    any of those problems. Other problems with the Subaru were:

    The transmission/AWD unit replaced just before 100,000 miles.
    The drivers door lock mechanism fell apart locking me in the car.
    The air conditioner compressor fell apart and had to be repaired.
    The drivers sun visor wouldn't stay up and had to be replaced.
    The air shocks leaked and were replace with mechanical shocks.
    The tail gate rusted out and had to be replaced.
    The sun roof leaked.
    The axle bearings wore out and had to be replaced.
    I took it to the Subaru dealer for all of these problems and all were
    fixed. The corrosion of the frame and brakes were not repairable.

    On the other hand the Volvo XC70 has had no problems and holds its value
    very well.
     
    Stephen Henning, Mar 15, 2005
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  4. That is one detail I forgot too mention. The gas mileage is better on
    the Volvo XC70 than it was on the much smaller Subary Legacy LS. The
    cost of ownership for the Subary was much higher than my XC70 since the
    maintenance, fuel and depreciations costs were all much higher.
     
    Stephen Henning, Mar 15, 2005
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  5. asian metals and mfg vs. european.......

    imho european is better, stronger...although a bit
    more $$...
     
    ~^ beancounter ~^, Mar 15, 2005
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  6. Tmuldoon

    SkipperDoug Guest

    Consumers Reports rates the Subaru ahead of the Volvo in reliability in more
    recent models. Locally, replacing the AWD differential assembly seems a
    common problem, even on fairly low mileage Volvo AWDs - the part costs
    $2500CDN, I'm told. I have an 850 Turbo with Hakkapelita studded snows.
    The studs are not legal yet here, but the difference in performance is
    almost unreal. I doubt I would ever have need of the AWD, even in our snowy
    area of Northern Ontario.
     
    SkipperDoug, Mar 16, 2005
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  7. i am not sure about "Consumers Reports"
    and their ratings.......some of the results seem
    pretty flakey...sometimes.....
     
    ~^ beancounter ~^, Mar 16, 2005
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  8. CR does not seem to like Volvos, for whatever reason.
     
    Benjamin Smith, Mar 18, 2005
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  9. That generalization is wrong. CR loves the 1999 and 2000 V70.

    CR also has reported good reliability from the:

    VOLVO 240 '91 & '92
    VOLVO 940 '94 & '95
    VOLVO 850 '95 - '97
    VOLVO S40/V40 '01 & '02
    VOLVO S60 '01 - '03
    VOLVO V70 '03

    CR readers haven't been impressed with the Volvo S80's reliability. Its
    lack of reliability ranks among such less than stellar vehicles such as:

    Audi A6
    BMW & Series
    Jaguar S-Type
    Jaguar X-Type
    Land Rover Discovery
    Mercedes-Benz C-Class (V6)
    Mercedes-Benz CLK
    Mercedes-Benz M-Class
    Mercedes-Benz S-Class
    Volkswagen Golf
    Volkswagen Jetta
    Volkswagen New Beetle

    These are some of the non-USA models that have consistently exhibited
    less-than-average reliability in the 1997-2004 period. Volvo only has
    one model on this list, the S80.

    Now don't assume these vehicles are in the shop all the time.
    Unreliable today means having more problems than a car that is very
    reliable since most cars today are very reliable. Problems with the
    engine, engine cooling, transmission, and drive system were weighted
    more heavily than other problems. A 10% defect rate per year is above
    average today and a 15% defect rate per year is among the worst. So if
    a car has one serious defect in 6 years it is very unreliable. If that
    is typical for the model, then the model is considered very unreliable.

    By the way, the Subaru Legacy is considered a better-than-average model
    and my experience with a '90 Legacy was the worst of any car I owned
    except a '58 Mercury. However in the 1997 to 2005 time period, the
    Legacy has redeemed itself as has the Mercury Grand Marquis.
     
    Stephen Henning, Mar 19, 2005
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  10. Tmuldoon

    Rob Guenther Guest

    The biggest problem is when there is a consistent problem with almost every
    car - it might not be detrimental to the operation, but so many have the
    problem that the car gets a bad rating... Take for example those VWs (I
    know, I have two... so I'm speaking from experience with owning a CR's worst
    pick.... they rate our 960 badly too... but it's been the best car we've
    had)... They are all the same car, basically... They have plastic window
    clips, poor quality MAF sensors, and bad ignition coils (well they did...
    it's all been upgraded now)... Three problems, all three cars have these
    issues (MAF on the diesels, coils on the 1,8L gas engines)... These cars
    have all been fixed, but it's too late - bad wrap by CR - amount of time in
    the shop for these cars... a day for each problem.

    The other cars, S80 included are probably too technically complex for their
    own good... their engines/trannys are most likely perfect, but their German
    built (ie - overcomplicated, and they know it) electrical systems cause
    problems... I won't get into the Jags... I've heard Jags are notorious for
    "issues" same goes with the Land Rover, everyone knows they are troublesome.
     
    Rob Guenther, Mar 19, 2005
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  11. It has been shown that some testers "must" find a new car is amazing if they
    wish to be on the inside and make a "good living" ethics are not an issue
    ..This is why a Japanese Korean tin can will show up as being such a
    marvellous car, against a Volvo .Air bags mean safety to some rather than
    good brakes and agility .$$$$$ Rule the results of motor testers
    too.Subaru`s make a good get away car till they hit something hard .The life
    of the engine is another issue .


    http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/volvo.html
     
    John Robertson, Apr 15, 2005
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  12. These are not testers that find cars unreliable. They are owners. If
    the car goes into the garage for repairs, it is not reliable. Most cars
    today can are reliable. Those that are not stand out.
     
    Stephen Henning, Apr 15, 2005
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