1986 240 dl engine head

[chibahawk]

Well, one of the spark plugs just popped out again even after a
rethread job. So as far as I know my next option is to replace the
head.
Any info on how much this should cost?

 

[Stewart Hargrave]

Well, one of the spark plugs just popped out again even after a
rethread job.

Is this the one where people were recommending getting an insert (eg
Helicoil) fitted a few weeks ago? Is that what you did, or, when you
say 'rethread', do you just mean a tap was run down the existing
thread to clean it out? If the latter, then it will not help; if the
former (and assuming the thread of the spark plug is not damaged) then
something is seriously amiss here.

The amount of pressure needed to push a plug out of its hole when the
thread is good is extreme - far greater than combustion pressure. Did
the insert come out as well? If the plug came out and left the insert
in place, I would suggest the plug is at fault. If the insert came
out, was it fitted by an experienced engineer, or is it possible it
was done badly?

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[Michael Pardee]

Well, one of the spark plugs just popped out again even after a
rethread job. So as far as I know my next option is to replace the
head.
Any info on how much this should cost?

As Stewart says, if the thread was repaired with an insert, something is
very amiss. The threads strip because the aluminum wears and eventually the
thread is too thin to hold the plug. The steel inserts make the repair much
stronger than the original.

Mike

 

[James Sweet]

Well, one of the spark plugs just popped out again even after a
rethread job. So as far as I know my next option is to replace the
head.
Any info on how much this should cost?

Local yard around here charges $30 for complete cylinder heads (u-pull), but
prices are all over the map.

 

[chibahawk]

Well I looked all over town for a helicoil, no luck. I did find a spark
plug repair kit, with an aluminum insert.
My cousin is way more experienced than me with working on cars so I had
him do the rethread job, he didn't even want to do it, he said that
guys he talked to about the problem didn't recommend rethreading, just
getting a new head.
But he did it anyway, at first he said he didn't think it would work,
but he finally got it to rethread. I was sceptical the whole time cause
he had a really hard time with it.
Anyways, the aluminum insert lasted about three weeks, until it finally
popped out again. Somtimes It would make a whistling noise, that must
have been the spark plug not sealed making the noise,after all.
It was 12 midnight pitch dark out, I had just left my house so I only
was abot five blocks from home, when it broke down again.
I looked under the hood for the spark plug but it wasnt there, it was
about 100 ft behind me sitting in the middle of the road, luckily I had
my flashlight so I found it OK.
It had melted just like the first time it happened, so I give up!
I'm just gonna get a new head.
Now i need to find out how much it is gonna cost to install by a
professional, I don' have any experience with engines at all.

 

[Michael Pardee]

Well I looked all over town for a helicoil, no luck. I did find a spark
plug repair kit, with an aluminum insert.
My cousin is way more experienced than me with working on cars so I had
him do the rethread job, he didn't even want to do it, he said that
guys he talked to about the problem didn't recommend rethreading, just
getting a new head.
But he did it anyway, at first he said he didn't think it would work,
but he finally got it to rethread. I was sceptical the whole time cause
he had a really hard time with it.
Anyways, the aluminum insert lasted about three weeks, until it finally
popped out again. Somtimes It would make a whistling noise, that must
have been the spark plug not sealed making the noise,after all.
It was 12 midnight pitch dark out, I had just left my house so I only
was abot five blocks from home, when it broke down again.
I looked under the hood for the spark plug but it wasnt there, it was
about 100 ft behind me sitting in the middle of the road, luckily I had
my flashlight so I found it OK.
It had melted just like the first time it happened, so I give up!
I'm just gonna get a new head.
Now i need to find out how much it is gonna cost to install by a
professional, I don' have any experience with engines at all.

Weird - I've never heard of an aluminum insert. It seems kind of pointless.

If the newly cut threads for the insert are damaged, there really is no
option but to go with a new head. The leakage was the kiss of death for the
insert - the leaking gases will cut even steel inserts.

Mike

 

[James Sweet]

Well I looked all over town for a helicoil, no luck. I did find a spark
plug repair kit, with an aluminum insert.
My cousin is way more experienced than me with working on cars so I had
him do the rethread job, he didn't even want to do it, he said that
guys he talked to about the problem didn't recommend rethreading, just
getting a new head.
But he did it anyway, at first he said he didn't think it would work,
but he finally got it to rethread. I was sceptical the whole time cause
he had a really hard time with it.
Anyways, the aluminum insert lasted about three weeks, until it finally
popped out again. Somtimes It would make a whistling noise, that must
have been the spark plug not sealed making the noise,after all.
It was 12 midnight pitch dark out, I had just left my house so I only
was abot five blocks from home, when it broke down again.
I looked under the hood for the spark plug but it wasnt there, it was
about 100 ft behind me sitting in the middle of the road, luckily I had
my flashlight so I found it OK.
It had melted just like the first time it happened, so I give up!
I'm just gonna get a new head.
Now i need to find out how much it is gonna cost to install by a
professional, I don' have any experience with engines at all.

Probably a few hundred bucks, it's really not a difficult job but you do
need a torque wrench, new stretch bolts, and you may as well replace the
timing belt while you're in there.