240 sump plug

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Les & Claire

Hi all!
Can anyone tell me the size of the sump plug on a '87 240GL
B230K 2316cc? nothing I have will touch it and I need to go buy something to
shift it. The local Volvo service dept. reckon 1" but I can't beleive Volvo
use Imperial nuts. Surely it would be metric!

Les


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Hi Les,

Better believe it! and since you use the term "sump", it's a "ring spanner"
you want, if I remember the term correctly after many years exiled in "oil
pan", "box-end wrench" country......................

Good Luck.
Andy I.
 
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wrote:
Hi all!
Can anyone tell me the size of the sump plug on a '87 240GL
B230K 2316cc? nothing I have will touch it and I need to go buy something to
shift it. The local Volvo service dept. reckon 1" but I can't beleive Volvo
use Imperial nuts. Surely it would be metric!

It prolly is metric, but I use a 1" ring spanner on mine. 1" = 25.4mm;
0.4 mm hardly makes a difference at that size.
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Stewart said:
It prolly is metric, but I use a 1" ring spanner on mine. 1" = 25.4mm;
0.4 mm hardly makes a difference at that size.

So would you err on the side of 25 or 26mm if you only had access to
metric? seeing as I have oilway flush fluid in the engine already it's a
long walk to the nearest imperial supplier whilst metric tools are to be had
5 mins away.

Brackenburn, you remind me of a phrase I think used by Churchill ( I could
be wrong ) on the UK and the US as "two countries seperated by a common
language".

Les ( keeping his ring spanners in the boot and head under the bonnet! )

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Because there's more to the internet than hits alone, Les & Claire
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So would you err on the side of 25 or 26mm if you only had access to
metric? seeing as I have oilway flush fluid in the engine already it's a
long walk to the nearest imperial supplier whilst metric tools are to be had
5 mins away.

Thinking on, I may have been wrong to suggest it might be metric,
since a 25mm spanner is a rare thing, standard sizes going in 2mm
steps at that size.

26mm will obviously be a loose fit, but should do the job. But it's a
pretty big and possibly odd-sized spanner to be on the shelf of many
tool shops - I'd say a 1" was a more likely option to find anywhere.

What about a decent Stilson's wrench? A particularly useful addition
to anyone's toolbag, anyway.
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Better believe it! and since you use the term "sump", it's a "ring spanner"
you want, if I remember the term correctly after many years exiled in "oil
pan", "box-end wrench" country......................

The American use of 'box' wrench puzzled me for a long time before I
realised they were what we call a 'ring' spanner. In the UK a box
spanner is the sort of thing found in Volvo tool kits; a short tube
with hex ends, and a couple of holes to put a jimmy bar through.

It is mainly used for bending screwdrivers when the jimmy bar is lost.

And they are called 'box' spanners, because when I was six, my dad
kept them in a wooden box.
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Stewart Hargrave

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You're right,Les. It was Churchill.
Re using a metric tool: 25mm if it will fit. Not 26mm if it is loose.
(You don't want to "round off" that drain plug.) You may have to get on
your bike and get that 1" ring spanner from the Imperial supplier. (While
you're there don't let any "grub screw" your "big end"..............

Andy I.
 
Stewart Hargrave said:
Because there's more to the internet than hits alone, Les & Claire
wrote:


Thinking on, I may have been wrong to suggest it might be metric,
since a 25mm spanner is a rare thing, standard sizes going in 2mm
steps at that size.

26mm will obviously be a loose fit, but should do the job. But it's a
pretty big and possibly odd-sized spanner to be on the shelf of many
tool shops - I'd say a 1" was a more likely option to find anywhere.

What about a decent Stilson's wrench? A particularly useful addition
to anyone's toolbag, anyway.
--

Stewart Hargrave

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Having played motorbikes and cars of metric and imperial nuts etc I invested
in a set of "Metrinch" tools. Just as expensive as Sidcrome but they drive
on the wall of nuts and not the corners. This gives a seemingly loose fit,
which is its advantage - one size spanner or socket may fit a few sizes of
nuts either/both metric and imperial, with out the possibility of ever
damaging them. Because it drives on the side walls and not the points it
will never stuff your nuts, and when someone has been before you and stuffed
them up good and proper, these spanners still work perfectly on them. IMHO
they are as useful as easy outs when nothing else will work.

There is a disadvantage (so don't throw away your other spanners) there are
times when you can only move a nut in a tight space a couple of degrees at a
time and then you turn the spanner around and use its other angle and back
and forth. With Metrinch the extra slack around the nut makes this sort of
manouvering hard and occassionally not possible.

They are very good quality and lifetime guarantee, you can't beat them. No
I don't sell them, but once you have used them they sell themselves.

Jeff
Check out the website http://www.metrinch-tools.com/

The Difference that counts

A nut or a bolt has flats and corners. The corners are more easily damaged
and do not offer the optimum grip for a tool. In developing the Metrinch
tool system Jozef Ruzicka had the aim to design sockets and spanners, which
would not only have longer effective life, but would also ensure minimal
damage to the fasteners on which they are used. The patented Metrinch Wall
Drive profile drives only on the flats and not on the corners. The
dimensions of Metrinch sockets and spanners have been precisely calculated,
so that a single Metrinch tool will operate on both
 
brackenburn said:
You're right,Les. It was Churchill.
Re using a metric tool: 25mm if it will fit. Not 26mm if it is
loose. (You don't want to "round off" that drain plug.) You may have
to get on your bike and get that 1" ring spanner from the Imperial
supplier. (While you're there don't let any "grub screw" your "big
end"..............

Ok, so i'm laying next to the left hand side of the car ( drivers side US,
passenger side UK ) with the 1" ring on the sump plug, the handle of the
spanner pointing pointing centre rear. Do I push or pull the handle? This
may seem an odd question to experienced spanner pilots, but when I tried
yesterday with a "nearly" right sized spanner there seemed no "give" either
way. I don't want to mash the head up by tightening the damn thing any more!


Lady Astor to Churchill : "Good god man, you're drunk!"

Churchill to Lady Astor : "Yes madam, and you're ugly. but in
the morning I shall be
sober!"

Les


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Because there's more to the internet than hits alone, Les & Claire
wrote:

Ok, so i'm laying next to the left hand side of the car ( drivers side US,
passenger side UK ) with the 1" ring on the sump plug, the handle of the
spanner pointing pointing centre rear. Do I push or pull the handle?

Anticlockwise. Pull.

How'd you get your computer under there at the same time?
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IMHO
they are as useful as easy outs when nothing else will work.

Do you mean those tapered left hand thread jobbies that are meant to
remove sheared off bolts? Gad! You imply that they have some sort of
use!

The number of times they don't work, or break in situ, divided by the
number of times they do what they claim, gives a very high uselessness
rating.

The number of times they break off embedded in the hole you have
drilled makes them a goddamn liability - the problem of removing a
sheared Easyout is far greater than the problem of removing a sheared
bolt by a factor close to infinity.

Just MHO.
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Stewart Hargrave

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Stewart said:
Anticlockwise. Pull.

How'd you get your computer under there at the same time?

I am actually at my computer indoors, I use astral travel for working on
the car.

Les


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Stewart said:
The American use of 'box' wrench puzzled me for a long time before I
realised they were what we call a 'ring' spanner. In the UK a box
spanner is the sort of thing found in Volvo tool kits; a short tube
with hex ends, and a couple of holes to put a jimmy bar through.

It is mainly used for bending screwdrivers when the jimmy bar is lost.

And they are called 'box' spanners, because when I was six, my dad
kept them in a wooden box.



Hmmmmm, yes. I call those volvo "tube" screwdriver benders box spanners too.
I thought the name was from the general "boxiness" of the things.

Les



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Stewart Hargrave said:
Because there's more to the internet than hits alone, Jeff Savage
wrote:


Do you mean those tapered left hand thread jobbies that are meant to
remove sheared off bolts? Gad! You imply that they have some sort of
use!

The number of times they don't work, or break in situ, divided by the
number of times they do what they claim, gives a very high uselessness
rating.

The number of times they break off embedded in the hole you have
drilled makes them a goddamn liability - the problem of removing a
sheared Easyout is far greater than the problem of removing a sheared
bolt by a factor close to infinity.

Just MHO.
You are so right, the spanners are far better, that was a terrible
comparison. Sorry.

Jeff
 
Stewart said:
It prolly is metric, but I use a 1" ring spanner on mine. 1" = 25.4mm;
0.4 mm hardly makes a difference at that size.

Actually it is not metric. The correct wrench (spanner) size is 1", and
the threads are 3/4 - 16 (UNF), believe it or not, the same as the
threads on the spin on oil filters. So you could screw your drain plug
into your oil filter! Also, on 240s the wheel lugs are always imperial,
1/2 - 20 (UNF), and the driveshaft bolts on 240s were a late conversion
to metric.

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Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly.
(But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.)
 
thanks all! much apreciated... now, about those manifold burns nobody told
me about!!!

Oh, and what's the aluminium corrugated tube that runs past the oil filter
and attaches to the manifold. it seems very poorly sealed / bad joint etc.
Any ideas what it does? vacuum device of some kind I think, does it need to
be gas tight?

les








Hi all!
Can anyone tell me the size of the sump plug on a '87
240GL B230K 2316cc? nothing I have will touch it and I need to go buy
something to shift it. The local Volvo service dept. reckon 1" but I
can't beleive Volvo use Imperial nuts. Surely it would be metric!

Les

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http://www.stuffmongers.com

"Homo sapiens, the first truly free species, is about to decommission
natural selection, the force that made us.... Soon we must look deep
within ourselves and decide what we wish to become." Edward O. Wilson
Consilience, The Unity of Knowledge

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Hi, Les - - -

That's your supply line for heated air to raise intake charge
temperature during the warm-up phase of operation. Most particularly in
colder climates, it makes for better idle after starting the engine,
though it's of at least some value anywhere. There's a thermostat in
the air filter housing that closes it off when things beginning to get
up to operating temp.

Bottom Line: It's integrity is of value for both general operation and
smog control. It's also subject to damage, being basically pretty
flimsy. "ipd" and others have replacement tubing, as does your friendly
Volvo Dealer.

bob noble
Reno, NV, USA
 
Bob said:
Hi, Les - - -

That's your supply line for heated air to raise intake charge
temperature during the warm-up phase of operation. Most particularly
in colder climates, it makes for better idle after starting the
engine, though it's of at least some value anywhere. There's a
thermostat in the air filter housing that closes it off when things
beginning to get up to operating temp.

Bottom Line: It's integrity is of value for both general operation and
smog control. It's also subject to damage, being basically pretty
flimsy. "ipd" and others have replacement tubing, as does your
friendly Volvo Dealer.

bob noble
Reno, NV, USA

Nice one Bob, looks like at the very least i'll cut a new "end" and reseat
it. Flimsy is right though! I remember driving around London one night
about 200 miles ahead of me to get home when an awful grating noise started
when I turned the steering wheel. A check under the bonnet reveald nothing
amiss ( in the dark ) so I drove back VERY carefully expecting it to seize
or worse. Next morning, I went out to find out exactly what piece of the
steering was kaput and how expensive it was going to be.... only to find
said aluminium tube rubbing against the steering column. An awful drive, I
thought the thing was going to veer alarmingly off the road any minute all
the way back.

Les


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natural selection, the force that made us.... Soon we must look deep
within ourselves and decide what we wish to become." Edward O. Wilson
Consilience, The Unity of Knowledge

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Hi Les,

That happened because your Volvo isn't designed to be driven on the RIGHT
side of the road :-)

Andy I.


Flimsy is right though! I remember driving around London one night
 
Les & Claire said:
thanks all! much apreciated... now, about those manifold burns nobody told
me about!!!

Oh, and what's the aluminium corrugated tube that runs past the oil filter
and attaches to the manifold. it seems very poorly sealed / bad joint etc.
Any ideas what it does? vacuum device of some kind I think, does it need to
be gas tight?

les

It usually falls apart, it's the preheat tube which supposedly helps the
engine warm up a bit faster, if the thermostat in the airbox fails you can
kill your expensive air mass meter though. I always just rip out that hose
and throw it away, I've never noticed any difference at all in how long it
takes the car to warm up, even in the winter but then the climate is fairly
mild in Seattle.
 
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