740 GL: torque for damper pulley bolt?

Discussion in 'Volvo 740' started by geronimo, Dec 27, 2005.

  1. geronimo

    geronimo Guest

    Re: 87 Volvo 740 GL. Has the B230F 8-valve engine. I need to know
    what the correct torque value is for the crankshaft (or damper)
    pulley bolt. Thanks!
     
    geronimo, Dec 27, 2005
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  2. geronimo

    Randy G. Guest

    According to the Bentley 240 manual, page 215-5, for the B230 motor,
    tighten to 60Nm (44 ft.lbs) then an additional "1/6-turn (90 degrees)"
    Huh...?

    1/6 of a turn = 60 degrees [360/6]
    1/4 of a turn = 90 degrees [360/4]

    Maybe someone can explain or clarify.. it would not be the first
    mistake I have found in Bentley.

    I have asked by E-Mail the tech folks at Bentley to clarify this.



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    Randy G., Dec 27, 2005
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  3. I had this issue with an Alfa Rameo Gullia super ,the book mixed up the left
    and right so that the valves were out 180 degrees .Destra and sinestra
    ,right and left were changed to left and right .By the way sinestra is where
    we get sinister from meaning a left handed person ,as the church taught all
    left handers were evil .I remember as a kid children being given hell for
    using their left hand .My wife went through it but resisted .In fact a few
    kids ended up with speech impediments from being forced to write with their
    right hand .Thats besides the peer group pressure .




     
    John Robertson, Dec 27, 2005
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  4. geronimo

    Randy G. Guest

    The other one I found (and had informed them of months ago) is in he
    Ignition System section, on page 280-3, bottom right column. It
    "shows" the OBD code for 1-4-1 [*---****---*], but the text describes
    it as "1-4-2." You know, and I know, but that other guy is going to go
    nuts trying to figure that one out.



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    Randy G., Dec 28, 2005
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  5. Haynes to the rescue! (Really!)

    The spec there is given as the same, but the second stage is listed as an
    additional 60 degrees.

    "... three out of four high-school students - nearly half - leave school
    without an adequate understanding of mathematics." - Dave Barry
     
    Michael Pardee, Dec 28, 2005
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  6. geronimo

    Randy G. Guest

    WOW! That's one in a row for Haynes, eh? ;-)
    Actually, the Haynes makes a very nice back-up for the Bentley.

    ....could be worse... could be Chilton! Ughhhh :-(
    The Chilton for the 960 is just a bit this side of being best used
    as a table-leveling device...




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    Randy G., Dec 28, 2005
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  7. It actually comes out somewhere near to 280lbsft which is an enormous torque
    and why a crankshaft holding tool is required to undo the thing. OK, there
    are tricks to fool it into loosening up.

    All the best, Peter.

    700/900/90 Register Keeper,
    Volvo Owners Club (UK).

     
    Peter K L Milnes, Dec 28, 2005
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  8. geronimo

    Randy G. Guest

    Which could explain why Geronimo had a few keys sheared off- Not
    enough torque allows the pully to slip on the crank, and Bob's your
    uncle! Hopefull he's your woodruff key supplier as well!



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    Randy G., Dec 28, 2005
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  9. geronimo

    User Guest

    According to Volvo:
    Crankshaft, centre bolt: stage 1, 60Nm (44ft.lb), stage 2, angle tighten
    60*.
     
    User, Dec 28, 2005
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  10. geronimo

    geronimo Guest

    280 ft/lbs? Egads, and here I was thinking at first that I had a
    problem with the camshaft, But yea, I have'ntt been torqueing that
    crank bolt down anywhere near that much! All I can do is lock the
    flywheel with a a broom handle or something like that, have nothing
    special to hold the crank pulley. Thanks all. Geronimo
     
    geronimo, Dec 28, 2005
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  11. I've had a helper jam the flywheel with a screwdriver, and (before I got air
    tools) used a floor jack under the socket handle to loosen and tighten the
    bolt. It makes me worry about the engine mounts when the front wheels start
    to lift off the ground, but so far so good :)

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Dec 28, 2005
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  12. geronimo

    Randy G. Guest


    eBay 8025433190

    "This is a Brand-NEW Counterhold tool that is used to hold the
    crankshaft pulley on Volvo B230 motors. Used when changing timing
    belts and crankpulley. This item is equivalent to Volvo Part Number
    9995284. Often referred to in shop manuals as Volvo Tool 5284."

    $40 and free shipping.
    [no affiliation]
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    Randy G., Dec 28, 2005
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  13. geronimo

    User Guest

    That's the approximate torque for the D24 diesel motor. That much torque
    on a gas engine will likely snap the end off the crankshaft.

    D24: crankshaft with damper pulley: center bolt 350 Nm (258 ft.lb)
    socket head bolts: 20 Nm (15 ft.lb)

    Bob
     
    User, Dec 29, 2005
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  14. Then it would surely snap the end of the crankshaft of a diesel motor as
    well. Crankshaft is made to same toughness standards as for petrol. However
    you spotted my deliberate mistake well, as I did unthinkingly quote for my
    diesel engine.

    All the best, Peter.

    700/900/90 Register Keeper,
    Volvo Owners Club (UK).
     
    Peter K L Milnes, Dec 29, 2005
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  15. geronimo

    User Guest

    Not really. The thread engagement length is different as well as the
    bolt pitch. The VW crankshaft is made by Shrick, I believe, with a much
    different high density metallurgy than the standard nodular iron crank
    shaft on the Volvo 4 cyl.

    Bob
     
    User, Dec 30, 2005
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  16. Another good reason to go the diesel route, even for those of you who think
    that diesels suck!!

    All the best, Peter.

    700/900/90 Register Keeper,
    Volvo Owners Club (UK).
     
    Peter K L Milnes, Dec 31, 2005
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  17. geronimo

    jr Guest

    purchased one of these tools long ago and though used only a couple of
    times it is worth it ! Does the job well.
     
    jr, Jan 1, 2006
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