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Kevin Walsh
Hi All!
I've got a '83 240DL with few miles (around 90k) with a sudden and
unexpected case of no-start. The symptom is a typical AMM failure. I can
start wonderfully, but it stalls 1 or 2 seconds later. Disconecting the AMM
lets it run, but very roughly (limp home mode).
Here is what I have tried so far:
1. Checked the resistance of AMM leads according to Haynes manual. No
problems here (~4ohms and ~600ohms, and changes properly when I turn the
pot).
2. Swapped the AMM and plastic intake baffle (between AMM and throtle body)
for a used loaner. No luck, same symptoms.
3. Checked all the tubes for leaks: vacuum lines, baffles, intake, TB, idle
control valve, etc. Nothing found, although I (and 2 witnesses) hear what
sounds like a sucking noise or whining somewhere around the idle control
lines and valve. Unfortunately, I checked with a stethoscope (ok, well, a
tube to my ear) and the sound is just kind of everywhere, not in any
particular place.
4. Checked the air filter. Seems okay, a little dirty. Removing it doesn't
help.
5. Removed and inspected idle control valve (checked resistance, too).
Looks
like new, rotates fine, resistance right on target.
6. Checked resistance of AMM, coolant temp sensor, idle control valve, etc,
from the passenger side compartment, at the LH control computer connection.
Everything seems fine here, too.
7. Checked as many wires as I could for continuity at the LH computer
connector, and checked every pair for possible shorting, and checked for
possible ground faults, and bad ground connections, etc. No problems found.
Since this is one of the biodegradable-wiring cars, there are some badly
deteriorated wires, but they seem unrelated, and have been completely
stripped of insulation for years. In particular, the lead wire for the
console coolant temperature sensor (this one connects only to the
dashboard,
I think, and is positioned just above the knock sensor), the oil pressure
sensor (again just for the dashboard, I think), and the little wire coming
off the alternator near the oil pressure sensor. All these are totally
bare,
and doused in oil.
8. Tried to check the fuel pressure regulator, but having no vacuum pump
thing, the best I could do was detach the vacuum hose and look for dripping
gas. I did smell a little gas, but the whole thing is running so rich that
my whole yard seems to smell like gas.
So obviously I am a bit out of ideas. And I am running out of favors at my
favorite garages -- the first loaned the AMM, to no avial, the second
hunted
for a vacuum leak without success, and the third tried adjusting my
throttle
position and fiddling which only made the car sound better but still in
limp-home mode.
It is a bit chilly here (5-deg F). But if anyone has any ideas whatsoever,
I
would love to hear them. Perhaps my loaned AMM is also bad (it also checks
out with an ohmmeter)? Perhaps those bare wires are the culprit? Or my huge
oil leak in one of the gaskets? The fuel pressure regulator (is there any
way to test this more thoroughly?). Bad injectors? Bad LH computer?
Hopeful in Ithaca,
-kev
I've got a '83 240DL with few miles (around 90k) with a sudden and
unexpected case of no-start. The symptom is a typical AMM failure. I can
start wonderfully, but it stalls 1 or 2 seconds later. Disconecting the AMM
lets it run, but very roughly (limp home mode).
Here is what I have tried so far:
1. Checked the resistance of AMM leads according to Haynes manual. No
problems here (~4ohms and ~600ohms, and changes properly when I turn the
pot).
2. Swapped the AMM and plastic intake baffle (between AMM and throtle body)
for a used loaner. No luck, same symptoms.
3. Checked all the tubes for leaks: vacuum lines, baffles, intake, TB, idle
control valve, etc. Nothing found, although I (and 2 witnesses) hear what
sounds like a sucking noise or whining somewhere around the idle control
lines and valve. Unfortunately, I checked with a stethoscope (ok, well, a
tube to my ear) and the sound is just kind of everywhere, not in any
particular place.
4. Checked the air filter. Seems okay, a little dirty. Removing it doesn't
help.
5. Removed and inspected idle control valve (checked resistance, too).
Looks
like new, rotates fine, resistance right on target.
6. Checked resistance of AMM, coolant temp sensor, idle control valve, etc,
from the passenger side compartment, at the LH control computer connection.
Everything seems fine here, too.
7. Checked as many wires as I could for continuity at the LH computer
connector, and checked every pair for possible shorting, and checked for
possible ground faults, and bad ground connections, etc. No problems found.
Since this is one of the biodegradable-wiring cars, there are some badly
deteriorated wires, but they seem unrelated, and have been completely
stripped of insulation for years. In particular, the lead wire for the
console coolant temperature sensor (this one connects only to the
dashboard,
I think, and is positioned just above the knock sensor), the oil pressure
sensor (again just for the dashboard, I think), and the little wire coming
off the alternator near the oil pressure sensor. All these are totally
bare,
and doused in oil.
8. Tried to check the fuel pressure regulator, but having no vacuum pump
thing, the best I could do was detach the vacuum hose and look for dripping
gas. I did smell a little gas, but the whole thing is running so rich that
my whole yard seems to smell like gas.
So obviously I am a bit out of ideas. And I am running out of favors at my
favorite garages -- the first loaned the AMM, to no avial, the second
hunted
for a vacuum leak without success, and the third tried adjusting my
throttle
position and fiddling which only made the car sound better but still in
limp-home mode.
It is a bit chilly here (5-deg F). But if anyone has any ideas whatsoever,
I
would love to hear them. Perhaps my loaned AMM is also bad (it also checks
out with an ohmmeter)? Perhaps those bare wires are the culprit? Or my huge
oil leak in one of the gaskets? The fuel pressure regulator (is there any
way to test this more thoroughly?). Bad injectors? Bad LH computer?
Hopeful in Ithaca,
-kev