'83 Volvo no start, but AMM checks okay

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Kevin Walsh, Jan 7, 2004.

  1. Kevin Walsh

    Kevin Walsh Guest

    Hi All!

    I've got a '83 240DL with few miles (around 90k) with a sudden and
    unexpected case of no-start. The symptom is a typical AMM failure. I can
    start wonderfully, but it stalls 1 or 2 seconds later. Disconecting the AMM
    lets it run, but very roughly (limp home mode).

    Here is what I have tried so far:

    1. Checked the resistance of AMM leads according to Haynes manual. No
    problems here (~4ohms and ~600ohms, and changes properly when I turn the
    pot).

    2. Swapped the AMM and plastic intake baffle (between AMM and throtle body)
    for a used loaner. No luck, same symptoms.

    3. Checked all the tubes for leaks: vacuum lines, baffles, intake, TB, idle
    control valve, etc. Nothing found, although I (and 2 witnesses) hear what
    sounds like a sucking noise or whining somewhere around the idle control
    lines and valve. Unfortunately, I checked with a stethoscope (ok, well, a
    tube to my ear) and the sound is just kind of everywhere, not in any
    particular place.

    4. Checked the air filter. Seems okay, a little dirty. Removing it doesn't
    help.

    5. Removed and inspected idle control valve (checked resistance, too).
    Looks
    like new, rotates fine, resistance right on target.

    6. Checked resistance of AMM, coolant temp sensor, idle control valve, etc,
    from the passenger side compartment, at the LH control computer connection.
    Everything seems fine here, too.

    7. Checked as many wires as I could for continuity at the LH computer
    connector, and checked every pair for possible shorting, and checked for
    possible ground faults, and bad ground connections, etc. No problems found.
    Since this is one of the biodegradable-wiring cars, there are some badly
    deteriorated wires, but they seem unrelated, and have been completely
    stripped of insulation for years. In particular, the lead wire for the
    console coolant temperature sensor (this one connects only to the
    dashboard,
    I think, and is positioned just above the knock sensor), the oil pressure
    sensor (again just for the dashboard, I think), and the little wire coming
    off the alternator near the oil pressure sensor. All these are totally
    bare,
    and doused in oil.

    8. Tried to check the fuel pressure regulator, but having no vacuum pump
    thing, the best I could do was detach the vacuum hose and look for dripping
    gas. I did smell a little gas, but the whole thing is running so rich that
    my whole yard seems to smell like gas.

    So obviously I am a bit out of ideas. And I am running out of favors at my
    favorite garages -- the first loaned the AMM, to no avial, the second
    hunted
    for a vacuum leak without success, and the third tried adjusting my
    throttle
    position and fiddling which only made the car sound better but still in
    limp-home mode.

    It is a bit chilly here (5-deg F). But if anyone has any ideas whatsoever,
    I
    would love to hear them. Perhaps my loaned AMM is also bad (it also checks
    out with an ohmmeter)? Perhaps those bare wires are the culprit? Or my huge
    oil leak in one of the gaskets? The fuel pressure regulator (is there any
    way to test this more thoroughly?). Bad injectors? Bad LH computer?

    Hopeful in Ithaca,
    -kev
     
    Kevin Walsh, Jan 7, 2004
    #1
  2. Kevin Walsh

    James Sweet Guest

    Are you sure the used loaner has the correct part number on it?
     
    James Sweet, Jan 7, 2004
    #2
  3. Kevin Walsh

    volvowrench Guest

    Things that cause richness:

    1. O2 sensor shorted to ground.
    2. Holes in bellows tube (corrugated tube between the MAF (AMM) and the
    throttle housing)
    3. Shorted orange wire on the throttle switch (grounding gives full load
    signal to the Chrysler box which relays the signal to the LH box and
    causes the injection to go full rich.)
    4. Restricted exhaust. (Cat may be packing up from rich running, catch-22
    DO loop).
    5. Leaking fuel pressure regulator (when the regulator fails, gas streams
    from the vacuum fitting and fills the manifold.)

    Things to consider:

    1. Usually the car will not run at all if the mass meter is good and it
    is unplugged while the engine is running, but if the mass meter is bad
    and the car won't even start, disconnecting the the plug sends the car
    into limp home mode and the car will idle and may be moved once the
    engine is warm with great difficulty.

    2. After the car has reached 1500 RPM for a few seconds and then shut
    off, after about ten seconds the computer sends 12v to the hot wire in
    the mass meter. At 12v the nichrome wire glows near yellow/white to burn
    off any deposits on the wire. The only draw back is that a short in the
    LH harness can allow the computer to commit suicide by inhaling 12v on an
    unprotected port.

    3. There is a wax pellet thermostat in the base of the air filter housing
    that regulates the fresh air/preheated air control flap. As the sensor
    heats up on the preheated air stream it gradually closes to permit only
    fresh air into the filter housing. After a year or two the thermostat
    fails to the default position of preheat (hot) air only. This kills mass
    meters in the summer when it tries to keep the hot wire temperature high
    enough to match the thermistor reading of 130-200 degrees F.

    The short diagnosis is what you've already. The mass meter has gone away.

    Bob
     
    volvowrench, Jan 10, 2004
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