850 GLT 1993 failing to star

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Hi:
My 850, equiped with A/T, non Turbo, 5cyl 20valves, is having a non
periodic problem when starting.

When this happens, then engine turns with starter, but doesn´t start.
After 5 to 10 minutes of attemps, geting in and out of the car, this
starts pretty fast and easy!
I changed two days ago the main realy (located above the radiator),
but the problem remains the same.

Some idea or tip?

Best regards
Oscar
 
v8_und_sw kirjoitti:
Hi:
My 850, equiped with A/T, non Turbo, 5cyl 20valves, is having a non
periodic problem when starting.

When this happens, then engine turns with starter, but doesn´t start.
After 5 to 10 minutes of attemps, geting in and out of the car, this
starts pretty fast and easy!
I changed two days ago the main realy (located above the radiator),
but the problem remains the same.

Some idea or tip?

Best regards
Oscar
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My favourite suspect is the cam shaft sensor (especially if it's of the
"black plastic cover" design), but that would be indicated by the
appropriate trouble code. What trouble codes are you getting, by the
way? Any code will point you in the right direction. If there are no
codes, the fuel pump relay or the pump itself is the most likely culprit.

Other possibilities that come to mind right now are the ignition switch
and dirty/sticking idle speed controller.

Jari
 
Hi:
My 850, equiped with A/T, non Turbo, 5cyl 20valves, is having a non
periodic problem when starting.

When this happens, then engine turns with starter, but doesn´t start.
After 5 to 10 minutes of attemps, geting in and out of the car, this
starts pretty fast and easy!
I changed two days ago the main realy (located above the radiator),
but the problem remains the same.

Some idea or tip?


The relay you just changed is the fan relay. Nothing to do with the ECU.

Tim.
..
 
v8_und_sw kirjoitti:> Hi:




My favourite suspect is the cam shaft sensor (especially if it's of the
"black plastic cover" design), but that would be indicated by the
appropriate trouble code. What trouble codes are you getting, by the
way? Any code will point you in the right direction. If there are no
codes, the fuel pump relay or the pump itself is the most likely culprit.

Other possibilities that come to mind right now are the ignition switch
and dirty/sticking idle speed controller.

Jari
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Thanks Jari:
The car is giving a code related with the TPS sensor, but this code
had being with car months ago, without any problem.

Where is the camshaft sensor?, Idle sepeed counter?

Yesterday the problem visited my garage again, on that time I heard
some contiuous bzzzzz sound in a cilindrical methalic device lovated
in the driver side front part of the engine, besides the throtle
cable. This is covered by a black plastic cap.
I think this may indicate fuel pump is OK (well, I´m not sure)
I´ll clean the ignition switch. You know some spray taht may work
withou disassembling the car?

On the other hand, the car, when starts, starts without any kind of
problem.

Thanks
Oscar


There is an attachment with the picture of a similar car, yhe black
cap is above the arrow signing the deepstick


http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/images/volvo850_engine_bay.jpg
 
Tim.. kirjoitti:
Hi:
My 850, equiped with A/T, non Turbo, 5cyl 20valves, is having a non
periodic problem when starting.

When this happens, then engine turns with starter, but doesn´t start.
After 5 to 10 minutes of attemps, geting in and out of the car, this
starts pretty fast and easy!
I changed two days ago the main realy (located above the radiator),
but the problem remains the same.

Some idea or tip?


The relay you just changed is the fan relay. Nothing to do with the ECU.

Tim.
.
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Not necessarily, since the main relay for the ignition system is also
located above the radiator.
 
Thanks Jari:
The car is giving a code related with the TPS sensor, but this code
had being with car months ago, without any problem.

Where is the camshaft sensor?, Idle sepeed counter?

Yesterday the problem visited my garage again, on that time I heard
some contiuous bzzzzz sound in a cilindrical methalic device lovated
in the driver side front part of the engine, besides the throtle
cable. This is covered by a black plastic cap.
I think this may indicate fuel pump is OK (well, I´m not sure)
I´ll clean the ignition switch. You know some spray taht may work
withou disassembling the car?

On the other hand, the car, when starts, starts without any kind of
problem.

Thanks
Oscar


There is an attachment with the picture of a similar car, yhe black
cap is above the arrow signing the deepstick


http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/images/volvo850_engine_bay.jpg
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I think the device you're referring to is the idle speed controller. At
least in my 850 there is a buzzing noise when the ignition is on, and a
few seconds after it is switched off, so I figure it's normal. I'm not
sure if it comes from the controller though.

The camshaft position sensor is located right below the upper engine
mount that can be seen above the shiny thick S-shaped hose right of the
"20 VALVE" text in the picture. (You probably don't have that hose in
your car, but the engine mount is there.) The sensor is a disc about 5
centimetres across, fastened by two screws. If it has a shiny design
instead of a black plastic cover, it has probably already been replaced
at some point.

The control system uses the camshaft sensor to determine whether a given
cylinder is at the compression or exhaust stroke. A missing signal will
stop the engine and prevent restarting. I had a failed sensor some time
back and it caused exactly the symptoms you've described.

The crankshaft sensor, in turn, is used by the control system to
determine the speed of the engine. I've had this one fail as well - it
would first cause very short losses of power, then make the engine stall
but NOT prevent an immediate restart.

As I said before, the sensors should give a trouble code when faulty. If
there is a recurring TPS code, I'd check that sensor first.

Jari
 
I think the device you're referring to is the idle speed controller. At
least in my 850 there is a buzzing noise when the ignition is on, and a
few seconds after it is switched off, so I figure it's normal. I'm not
sure if it comes from the controller though.

The camshaft position sensor is located right below the upper engine
mount that can be seen above the shiny thick S-shaped hose right of the
"20 VALVE" text in the picture. (You probably don't have that hose in
your car, but the engine mount is there.) The sensor is a disc about 5
centimetres across, fastened by two screws. If it has a shiny design
instead of a black plastic cover, it has probably already been replaced
at some point.

The control system uses the camshaft sensor to determine whether a given
cylinder is at the compression or exhaust stroke. A missing signal will
stop the engine and prevent restarting. I had a failed sensor some time
back and it caused exactly the symptoms you've described.

The crankshaft sensor, in turn, is used by the control system to
determine the speed of the engine. I've had this one fail as well - it
would first cause very short losses of power, then make the engine stall
but NOT prevent an immediate restart.

As I said before, the sensors should give a trouble code when faulty. If
there is a recurring TPS code, I'd check that sensor first.

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Thanks Jari:
Now I have a mouch more clear idea, and lots of job for this weekend. I
´ll be writing as soon a I have news, or results.

Regards
Oscar
 
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