850 TDI Station Wagon Automatic weak points?

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Trying to make an upgrade from my 745 TD year 1989. Candidate is an 850 TDI
Station Wagon with automatic gearbox, year 1996, 210.000 km (about 140.000),
tempomat, automatic air conditioning, only one owner, car regularly serviced at
an official Volvo repair shop etc etc. I will have it checked at an automobile
club also, but - what are the typical weak points to look for at this car?? I
usually practice according to the "Troise Big-Fix Theory" (Joe Troise - Drive It
'Till It Drops - Ho To Keep Your Car Running Forever), so I expect a certain
amount of repairs immediately after purchase - what would it be?

Thanks for any input,
Viktor, Vienna, Austria, Europe
 
I am amazed that the automatic transmission has made it to 140,000 miles.
They often fail catastrophically around 50Kmiles and every 50Kmiles
thereafter. Some don't have this problem but, if you search back on this
newsgroup, you'll find dozens that did, many under warranty.

You should also look out for all the usual 850 problems as well: failed air
pump, climate control (if installed), anti-lock brake control module, and AC
compressor clutch and evaporator. For little things, expect to replace the
shifter microswitch, the rear hatch supports, the headlight switch, and the
power seat cables.

Both of my 850s had electrical problems (drained battery overnight in the
winter) which, in both cars, turned out to be the glovebox door not
depressing the switch once it got a little old and loose.

By the way, my wife has a new Honda Fit on order. If anyone in the Boston
area wants to buy her '96 850 GLT wagon (110 kMiles) for $2500, drop me an
Email. Then we will have no Volvos (after 30 years), and I can spend my
weekends with my kids, instead of fixing the cars.
 
Robert Lutwak said:
I am amazed that the automatic transmission has made it to 140,000 miles.
They often fail catastrophically around 50Kmiles and every 50Kmiles
thereafter. Some don't have this problem but, if you search back on this
newsgroup, you'll find dozens that did, many under warranty.
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I thought they fixed that in '95 by increasing some tolerances.

Mike
 
viktor said:
Trying to make an upgrade from my 745 TD year 1989. Candidate is an 850 TDI
Station Wagon with automatic gearbox, year 1996, 210.000 km (about 140.000),
tempomat, automatic air conditioning, only one owner, car regularly serviced at
an official Volvo repair shop etc etc. I will have it checked at an automobile
club also, but - what are the typical weak points to look for at this car?? I
usually practice according to the "Troise Big-Fix Theory" (Joe Troise - Drive It
'Till It Drops - Ho To Keep Your Car Running Forever), so I expect a certain
amount of repairs immediately after purchase - what would it be?

Thanks for any input,
Viktor, Vienna, Austria, Europe
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Cambelt belt and diesel pump belt need to be changed latest at 240.000 km,
you
must be ready to pay EUR 1000,- for a such a swap including the water pump,
which is a good idea to change as well.
The engine is similar to Audi A6 2.5 TDI and is a great engine - long
lasting. The diesel
pump must be adjusted from time to time to make sure that engine starts well
and to prevent
too much diesel smoke.
The automatic gearbox should shift completely smoothless including when the
car is standing and
gear lever is changed from D to R.

....Gruss aus Kopenhagen
Per
 
Per said:
Cambelt belt and diesel pump belt need to be changed latest at
240.000 km, you must be ready to pay EUR 1000,- for a such a swap
including the water pump, which is a good idea to change as well. The
engine is similar to Audi A6 2.5 TDI and is a great engine - long
lasting. The diesel pump must be adjusted from time to time to make
sure that engine starts well and to prevent too much diesel smoke.
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Can you please tell me how much money should I expect from a Volvo shop
or non-Volvo shop to charge for adjusting the diesel pump, and how long
(in hrs, minutes?) is the job?

THNX a lot.
 
Cambelt belt and diesel pump belt need to be changed latest at 240.000 km,
you
must be ready to pay EUR 1000,- for a such a swap including the water pump,
which is a good idea to change as well.
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Friends of mine happen to have an Audi with the same engine. The belt has to be
changed after a certain amount of km OR TIME, which is important. Their belt
broke and they had a 6000 € damage to the engine. Also with my old 745
Volkswagen LT Diesel engine my mechanic changed the waterpump at 300.000 km
together with the two belts.
The automatic gearbox should shift completely smoothless
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You probably mean smoothly :-)
including when the
car is standing and
gear lever is changed from D to R.
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I get the impression after reading the on the net, that the automatic gear box
is a weak point in this car. If that is really the case, I would not even think
to buy it. There are very few automatic gear boxes for such a car at the
vehicle-butchers' yards and maybe very expensive. My 1989 745 TD manual gearbox
with overdrive works fine at 370.000 km. The only thing I did between 245.000 km
and now was in spring when I changed the overdrive electric relay.

Regards,
Viktor
Vienna, Austria, Europe
 
viktor said:
Friends of mine happen to have an Audi with the same engine. The belt has to be
changed after a certain amount of km OR TIME, which is important. Their belt
broke and they had a 6000 € damage to the engine. Also with my old 745
Volkswagen LT Diesel engine my mechanic changed the waterpump at 300.000 km
together with the two belts.


You probably mean smoothly :-)


I get the impression after reading the on the net, that the automatic gear box
is a weak point in this car. If that is really the case, I would not even think
to buy it. There are very few automatic gear boxes for such a car at the
vehicle-butchers' yards and maybe very expensive. My 1989 745 TD manual gearbox
with overdrive works fine at 370.000 km. The only thing I did between 245.000 km
and now was in spring when I changed the overdrive electric relay.

Regards,
Viktor
Vienna, Austria, Europe
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The gearbox'es in 850 TDI and V70 TDI Classic should be pretty ok. The new
shape
V70 D5 with the original aut. trans. you should stay away from. Tranny only
last shortly
because they are too weak build. In general high speed autobahn drive is not
the best
for an aut. tranny - this is the reason to check if the oil pressure in the
tranny still is
ok - e.q. smoothly shifting. You should expect about tkm. 300 with optimal
performance
of this tranny.

The problem with broken belts in Volvo 850 TDI was to due the belt tensioner
causing the
belt to vibrate too much - a service procedure fix is made for this problem
at volvo.

Cheers Per
 
Per Groth Ludvigsen said:
has
to be gear even

The gearbox'es in 850 TDI and V70 TDI Classic should be pretty ok. The new
shape
V70 D5 with the original aut. trans. you should stay away from. Tranny only
last shortly
because they are too weak build. In general high speed autobahn drive is not
the best
for an aut. tranny - this is the reason to check if the oil pressure in the
tranny still is
ok - e.q. smoothly shifting. You should expect about tkm. 300 with optimal
performance
of this tranny.

The problem with broken belts in Volvo 850 TDI was to due the belt tensioner
causing the
belt to vibrate too much - a service procedure fix is made for this problem
at volvo.

Cheers Per
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Forgot to add: aut. tranny problems only on early releases of the new shape
V70 D5.
 
Robert Lutwak said:
I am amazed that the automatic transmission has made it to 140,000 miles.
They often fail catastrophically around 50Kmiles and every 50Kmiles
thereafter. Some don't have this problem but, if you search back on this
newsgroup, you'll find dozens that did, many under warranty.
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I have had 10 Volvos with AT's and only two AT's failed. The '87 240 AT
needed work around 100K miles, but a routine overhaul fixed it. The '93
850 AT failed at 145,000. It needed a factory rebuilt unit. I drove my
240's and earlier models 120,000 miles and drive my 850's 180,000 miles.
I don't see any sign of AT's often failing around 50k miles.
 
Stephen Henning said:
I have had 10 Volvos with AT's and only two AT's failed. The '87 240 AT
needed work around 100K miles, but a routine overhaul fixed it. The '93
850 AT failed at 145,000. It needed a factory rebuilt unit. I drove my
240's and earlier models 120,000 miles and drive my 850's 180,000 miles.
I don't see any sign of AT's often failing around 50k miles.
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50k is abit mean, but the Aisan Warner AT in the 850's and V70 classics can
and do fail at around the 120k mark *unless* they are given regualr fluid
changes. Volvo decided not to specify any fluid change in the maintanance
schedule and this is the root of the problem

Early 92-95 850 AT's are much more prone to failure than later units.

Tim.
 
Tim.. said:
50k is abit mean, but the Aisan Warner AT in the 850's and V70 classics can
and do fail at around the 120k mark *unless* they are given regualr fluid
changes. Volvo decided not to specify any fluid change in the maintanance
schedule and this is the root of the problem
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Do you have any documentation or are you just winging it. If you check,
I think you will find that those that fail have a failure centered
somewhere around 120,000 miles, but many of those that are properly
maintained with dealer service don't fail during the life of the car. I
know 80% of mine didn't fail during the life of the car.
Early 92-95 850 AT's are much more prone to failure than later units.
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And my '93 850 transmission (the worst year for Volvo transmissions)
lasted 145,000 miles, so I would say they are pretty good. Not many
clutches last that long.
 
Stephen Henning said:
Do you have any documentation or are you just winging it. If you check,
I think you will find that those that fail have a failure centered
somewhere around 120,000 miles, but many of those that are properly
maintained with dealer service don't fail during the life of the car. I
know 80% of mine didn't fail during the life of the car.


And my '93 850 transmission (the worst year for Volvo transmissions)
lasted 145,000 miles, so I would say they are pretty good. Not many
clutches last that long.
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If you speak about the 800 / 70 series manual gearbox clutches, there are
*plenty* of them about with upwards of 150k miles on the clock still on the
original clutch (T5's slightly less so)

Tim..
 
Stephen said:
Do you have any documentation or are you just winging it. If you check,
I think you will find that those that fail have a failure centered
somewhere around 120,000 miles, but many of those that are properly
maintained with dealer service don't fail during the life of the car. I
know 80% of mine didn't fail during the life of the car.




And my '93 850 transmission (the worst year for Volvo transmissions)
lasted 145,000 miles, so I would say they are pretty good. Not many
clutches last that long.
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It would be pretty remarkable if every single one of the '93
automatics had failed early. Be grateful you had a good one, but
don't take your experience to be the last word on the subject.
I'm pretty sure I saw a Yugo on the road this year...
 
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