'93 240 won't start

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by Chuck Fiedler, Mar 20, 2008.

  1. My wife went to work n our 240. She came out at the end of the day and
    it spun but wouldn't start. I went there and tried to start it with
    the same result. It was raining heavily so we went home.

    The next day I went to the car and found the battery dead. The battery
    was SEVEN years old so I wasn't surprised to find it didn't work.

    Had the car towed to my mechanic. They replaced the battery and then
    hooked up their diagnostic stuff. It started. They disconnected their
    diagnostic stuff and put everything back in place and no go.

    So far they have replaced the crankshaft sensor but now find that the
    external fuel pump is getting power and ground and doesn't run.

    Ideas?

    TIA.

    Chuck Fiedler
    Nothing but Volvo since 1974
     
    Chuck Fiedler, Mar 20, 2008
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  2. Chuck Fiedler

    James Sweet Guest


    If the fuel pump is getting power but isn't running, I'd say the problem is
    obvious.
     
    James Sweet, Mar 20, 2008
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  3. Chuck Fiedler

    Mr. V Guest

    O
    Hmmmm, I'm going to go out on a limb here.

    Tell them to check the fuel pump.
     
    Mr. V, Mar 21, 2008
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  4. So why would it run with the test equipment connected but not without?
     
    Chuck Fiedler, Mar 21, 2008
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  5. So why would it run with the test equipment connected but not without?
     
    Chuck Fiedler, Mar 21, 2008
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    Ken Phillips Guest

    Chuck,

    As suggested by other replies:-
    Presence or absence of connected diagnostic equipment notwithstanding,
    if the main fuel pump is getting proper power (ground and +ve) properly
    delivered to its input terminals when it ought to be getting power, but,
    is not running, then the main fuel pump has an issue that means it needs
    to be substituted, even if only temporarily, before any further
    diagnostics can be carried out.

    I have to confess to some bafflement as to why with the diagnostic
    equipment and new battery connected, the pump runs (it's obviously
    getting a 12v supply), but, with diagnostic stuff removed (pump
    allegedly still getting a 12v supply when it should), it doesn't run,
    that makes no sense at all.

    Clutching at straws mode on

    Did the garage reinstall your battery as well? Are all the fuses
    properly seated and the ends clean, perhaps the new battery they tried
    was managing somehow to get a bit more current to the pump during engine
    cranking, enabling it to start and run, whereas your battery can't?

    Clutching at straws mode off

    Best wishes, Ken Phillips
     
    Ken Phillips, Mar 21, 2008
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    Tim McNamara Guest

    Something bad in the wiring harness that the test equipment bridged?
    Incorrect reassembly after removing the testing equipment?
     
    Tim McNamara, Mar 21, 2008
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  8. I just talked to the mechanics. Seems there's an undocumented relay up
    behind the glovebox that is fried. This might account for my wife
    having smelled something burning (a point I hadn't mentioned here
    earlier).

    They're waiting for the relay to arrive and will see if that fixes the
    problem.
     
    Chuck Fiedler, Mar 21, 2008
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  9. Ken, your bafflement is shared.

    See my earlier post regarding the discovery of the shop manual
    undocumented relay. Methinks we're on the right trail here.

    I had previously checked all the fuses, especially the #6. I long ago
    replaced those bloody ceramic units with Buss AGPs, glass fuses with
    stainless (?) ends. End of the corrosion problems. BTW, I heard those
    are no longer available. Go see your local auto store. I got some last
    week.

    I suspect a Bosch relay is a LOT cheaper than a genuwine Bosch fuel
    pump.

    Keep tuned to this station for further developments. Film at 11:00.
     
    Chuck Fiedler, Mar 21, 2008
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  10. Well now, I just got the car back. Turns out there was a genuwine
    Volvo relay, #898151 which was fried. That's the one up behind the
    glovebox. The spark coil had also arced somewhere along the way and
    needed replaced.

    Damages?

    1. Relay: $64 plus $63 labor;
    2. Spark coil: $81 plus $27 to change it;
    3. New 75 month battery: $75
    4. Tow in: $91;
    5. Two days of trying to figure out what the hell was going on: $267.

    All told, I'm satisfied. I sure could never have figured that out
    myself. To those who responded to my earlier posts, thanks.

    Chuck Fiedler
    Nothing but Volvo since 1974
     
    Chuck Fiedler, Mar 21, 2008
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    James Sweet Guest


    I question whether the pump was actually recieving 12V *under load* or if
    there was simply 12V measured at the wires to the pump with the pump
    disconnected. Connect a car battery to a multimeter through a 1 megohm
    resistor and you'll measure 12V, but apply any sort of load to it and the
    voltage will drop to zero because of the high resistance.
     
    James Sweet, Mar 22, 2008
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  12. Chuck Fiedler

    James Sweet Guest


    Relay is about 50 bucks, or free to resolder which is usually all it needs.
    Fuel pump was around $260 last time I bought one.
     
    James Sweet, Mar 22, 2008
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