Calling all Volvo security (anti-theft) experts

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I recently left my 2007 V70 D5 with an airport parking company - who managed
to lose my key! [I have a spare set of keys, and now have the car back, and
am able to drive it].

The parking company have said they will pay for a replacement key (about 200
UKP) but I am concerned that if the original key has fallen into the hands
of a villain, the car could be susceptible to theft.

My Volvo dealer says that each key is individually encoded to be recognised
by the car, so that they can - in effect - de-activate the lost key and
activate the new one. Apparently when you insert the key into the ignition
switch, data is read off the key which has to be valid before the engine
will start. The dealer says that the old key would still open the door -
presumably by actually inserting the key into the lock rather than using the
remote control (which hopefully *wouldn't* work).

I'm not sure how paranoid I had ought to be about all this. The chances are
that there is a label attached to the keys (by the parking company) on which
is written the registration number (licence plate number for N. American
readers) of my car. Although the registration number database in the UK is
not publicly accessible, it's not all that difficult for a villain to find
out the name and address of the owner of a car once they know the
registration number. So my car could, in theory, receive a visit from a
villain in possession of my old key when it's parked on my drive. The
villain would be able to open the doors and steal the contents - and open
the bonnet (hood) - and possibly hot-wire it to drive it away. [I assume
that the key would still turn in the ignition, and release the steering lock
even if it wouldn't start the engine].

Are there any Volvo security experts out there who would care to offer an
opinion on the risks which I face? Presumably I would be totally safe if all
the doorlocks and ignition lock were changed and totally new keys provided -
but that would be extremely expensive, and I may have difficulty getting the
parking company to pay for it.

Your informed comments will be most welcome.

TIA.
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Roger
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Are there any Volvo security experts out there who would care to offer an
opinion on the risks which I face? Presumably I would be totally safe if
all the doorlocks and ignition lock were changed and totally new keys
provided - but that would be extremely expensive, and I may have
difficulty getting the parking company to pay for it.

Your informed comments will be most welcome.

TIA.

It strikes me that, given your level of concern that someone somehow is
going to track down your car, open it up and do something, is to drive it
off a cliff. In the meantime, be sure to check under your bed for the
boogyman every night. As a last resort, you might consder the possibility
that anyone who finds your misplaced key could give a shit and just tosses
it in the trash. Oh, wait a second, maybe the trash man might find it,
track you down and slit your throat! OMG, there's no way to be totally
safe, maybe you should kill yourself now.
 
I recently left my 2007 V70 D5 with an airport parking company - who managed
to lose my key! [I have a spare set of keys, and now have the car back, and
am able to drive it].

The parking company have said they will pay for a replacement key (about 200
UKP) but I am concerned that if the original key has fallen into the hands
of a villain, the car could be susceptible to theft.

My Volvo dealer says that each key is individually encoded to be recognised
by the car, so that they can - in effect - de-activate the lost key and
activate the new one. Apparently when you insert the key into the ignition
switch, data is read off the key which has to be valid before the engine
will start. The dealer says that the old key would still open the door -
presumably by actually inserting the key into the lock rather than using the
remote control (which hopefully *wouldn't* work).

I'm not sure how paranoid I had ought to be about all this. The chances are
that there is a label attached to the keys (by the parking company) on which
is written the registration number (licence plate number for N. American
readers) of my car. Although the registration number database in the UK is
not publicly accessible, it's not all that difficult for a villain to find
out the name and address of the owner of a car once they know the
registration number. So my car could, in theory, receive a visit from a
villain in possession of my old key when it's parked on my drive. The
villain would be able to open the doors and steal the contents - and open
the bonnet (hood) - and possibly hot-wire it to drive it away. [I assume
that the key would still turn in the ignition, and release the steering lock
even if it wouldn't start the engine].

Are there any Volvo security experts out there who would care to offer an
opinion on the risks which I face? Presumably I would be totally safe if all
the doorlocks and ignition lock were changed and totally new keys provided -
but that would be extremely expensive, and I may have difficulty getting the
parking company to pay for it.

Your informed comments will be most welcome.

TIA.
Have the dealer delete all keys in memory & reprogram all of your other keys
Glenn K
Volvo Certified Technician 2008
ASE Certified Technician 2008
 
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Lloyd W. said:
It strikes me that, given your level of concern that someone somehow
is going to track down your car, open it up and do something, is to
drive it off a cliff. In the meantime, be sure to check under your
bed for the boogyman every night. As a last resort, you might
consder the possibility that anyone who finds your misplaced key
could give a shit and just tosses it in the trash. Oh, wait a
second, maybe the trash man might find it, track you down and slit
your throat! OMG, there's no way to be totally safe, maybe you
should kill yourself now.

Thank you for your sympathy! <g>

The most likely scenario is that the keys have genuinely been lost and will
never show up.

However, one cannot totally rule out the possibility that they have been
*stolen* with something more sinister in mind.
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Cheers,
Roger
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
GlennK said:
Have the dealer delete all keys in memory & reprogram all of your
other keys Glenn K
Volvo Certified Technician 2008
ASE Certified Technician 2008

Hi Glenn,

Thanks for your response. What would actually be achieved by deleting my
remaining key and re-programming it?

If the lost key has been 'deleted', what functions will it *still* perform -
such as opening the door and releasing the steering lock? What will it *not*
do? Given an 'invalid' key which nevertheless fits the locks, how difficult
is it to bypass the security systems - enabling the car to be driven?
--
Cheers,
Roger
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,


Hi Glenn,

Thanks for your response. What would actually be achieved by deleting my
remaining key and re-programming it?

If the lost key has been 'deleted', what functions will it *still* perform -
such as opening the door and releasing the steering lock? What will it *not*
do? Given an 'invalid' key which nevertheless fits the locks, how difficult
is it to bypass the security systems - enabling the car to be driven?
The key still will open the door & unlock the steering but the car will
not start due to the key not being in memory
 
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
The key still will open the door & unlock the steering but the car
will not start due to the key not being in memory

Yes, that's what I thought. But you also suggested deleting the other key
(which is still in my possession) and re-programming it. Why?
--
Cheers,
Roger
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,



Yes, that's what I thought. But you also suggested deleting the other key
(which is still in my possession) and re-programming it. Why?
Because there is no way for us to delete just 1 key you just delete all
keys in memory & reprogram the 1 new one & all of your other keys
 
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,



Yes, that's what I thought. But you also suggested deleting the other key
(which is still in my possession) and re-programming it. Why?
Because there is no way for us to delete just 1 key you just delete all
keys in memory & reprogram the 1 new one & all of your other keys
 
Roger said:
I recently left my 2007 V70 D5 with an airport parking company - who managed
to lose my key! [I have a spare set of keys, and now have the car back, and
am able to drive it].

The parking company have said they will pay for a replacement key (about 200
UKP) but I am concerned that if the original key has fallen into the hands
of a villain, the car could be susceptible to theft.

My Volvo dealer says that each key is individually encoded to be recognised
by the car, so that they can - in effect - de-activate the lost key and
activate the new one. Apparently when you insert the key into the ignition
switch, data is read off the key which has to be valid before the engine
will start. The dealer says that the old key would still open the door -
presumably by actually inserting the key into the lock rather than using the
remote control (which hopefully *wouldn't* work).

I'm not sure how paranoid I had ought to be about all this. The chances are
that there is a label attached to the keys (by the parking company) on which
is written the registration number (licence plate number for N. American
readers) of my car. Although the registration number database in the UK is
not publicly accessible, it's not all that difficult for a villain to find
out the name and address of the owner of a car once they know the
registration number. So my car could, in theory, receive a visit from a
villain in possession of my old key when it's parked on my drive. The
villain would be able to open the doors and steal the contents - and open
the bonnet (hood) - and possibly hot-wire it to drive it away. [I assume
that the key would still turn in the ignition, and release the steering lock
even if it wouldn't start the engine].

Are there any Volvo security experts out there who would care to offer an
opinion on the risks which I face? Presumably I would be totally safe if all
the doorlocks and ignition lock were changed and totally new keys provided -
but that would be extremely expensive, and I may have difficulty getting the
parking company to pay for it.

Your informed comments will be most welcome.

TIA.



Who is going to know which of many thousands of Volvos that particular
key fits? Are they going to wander all over town trying it in every one
they come across? I wouldn't sweat it.
 
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Who is going to know which of many thousands of Volvos that particular
key fits? Are they going to wander all over town trying it in every
one they come across? I wouldn't sweat it.

As I explained in my OP, the carpark people will have attached a label to
the key which shows my registration (licence plate) number - which can be
traced to my name and address. So, if the car is parked on my drive . . .
--
Cheers,
Roger
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Roger said:
I recently left my 2007 V70 D5 with an airport parking company - who managed
to lose my key! [I have a spare set of keys, and now have the car back, and
am able to drive it].

The parking company have said they will pay for a replacement key (about 200
UKP) but I am concerned that if the original key has fallen into the hands
of a villain, the car could be susceptible to theft.
Presumably I would be totally safe if all the doorlocks and ignition lock were
changed and totally new keys provided -

Nope. Wouldn't make much of a difference.

My last car (ok, so not a Volvo) was stolen from out the front of my
workplace.

Rear 1/4 window smashed, doors opened, dashboard broken down, hotwired
and driven off in under 30 seconds. This happened in the middle of the
day.

Cheers,
Andy.
 
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