Emissions Question

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by John von Colditz, Jun 9, 2009.

  1. I have an 88 240 wagon. 321K miles. Every two years in AZ I get the
    emissions tested, and I fail. Alway NOX that fails. I get a new
    catalytic converter, and it passes. Any suggestions as to how I can
    make it pass two years from now?

    Thanks!

    John
     
    John von Colditz, Jun 9, 2009
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  2. John von Colditz

    James Sweet Guest


    That's odd, my mom's 245 had its catalytic converter crumble inside and
    it has continued to pass the emissions inspection in WA with plenty of
    room to spare.

    I've heard of some blocking off the ignition advance vacuum line to
    reduce NOX, you might try that.
     
    James Sweet, Jun 10, 2009
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  3. John von Colditz

    Tony Guest

    Obviously the Engine is not working correctly, have you had it checked
    against the specifications from Volvo (for CO, CO2, HCs, NO, O2 etc)?

    Being within national vehicle test standards does not necessarily mean
    the engine is working properly. You need to get to the bottom of the
    problem. for example, if your cat keeps going you may have a problem
    with overfueling, showing up as a high HC reading.
     
    Tony, Jun 11, 2009
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  4. John von Colditz

    gl4317 Guest


    NOx emissions happen at elevated temperatures. Unlike most forms of
    pollution, which decrease at higher temperatures, NOx actually increases.

    I have an 82 240 wagon that passes just fine here in Oregon, but NOx is
    too high if I have driven it for a long period and it is running at the
    higher temperatures that come with long driving. If I have driven it only
    6 miles at moderate speeds, it passes just fine.

    By their own admission at our state testing facility, it is a bit of a
    problem with NOx testing. People try to heat up their cars as much as
    possible before going through the test, in order to reduce hydrocarbon,
    CO, and others, which go down with high temperatures. Yet, that effort to
    get the engine hot may result in excess NOx emissions.

    I don't know about AZ, but here in Oregon the test is free of charge if
    you aren't trying to do a renewal. If that is true there, what I would do
    is have your car tested after a much shorter distance of driving than what
    you have done in the past.

    My guess is that the distance you drive to the testing facility is simply
    too far, and the engine is too hot when you get there. On the other hand,
    when you had the converter replaced, I'll bet you drove less distance to
    the testing facility, and the engine was at a more normal operating
    temperature then.

    If there were a serious problem with the engine tuning, it would most
    certainly show up in the other exhaust components.

    Certainly, you should check for engine problems, but if that doesn't turn
    up anything, don't be surprised. Possibly a radiator that is starting to
    have a few problems might show up in elevated engine temperature, but
    sometimes it is just a matter of distance driven.

    Here in Oregon, last year, they didn't test cars of the age of mine for
    NOx. Apparently they have decided there isn't that much that can be done
    about engines of that age that are running a bit too hot, because distance
    driven prior to the test is really the primary problem with causing NOx
    formation.
     
    gl4317, Jun 21, 2009
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  5. formulated on Saturday :
    Thanks for the suggestion! In AZ you pay about $28 for the testing, and
    you get one free retest. I live about a mile from the testing facility,
    so it is not too hot when I get there! I ended up going to Volvo. It
    was about $100 more to have them do the cat, but it is guaranteed for 5
    years...
     
    John von Colditz, Jun 21, 2009
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