Is adjusting the timing belt as labor intensive as replacing it?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Jamie, May 19, 2006.

  1. Jamie

    Jamie Guest

    I want to have my timing checked, the mechanic just replaced the belt
    and pulley and all of the engine seals as part of my crankshaft
    rebuild.

    But, he's tied up (shade tree) for a month or so and I want to see if
    my loss of power is due to timing.

    If I bring it to a formal mechanic shop, do they have to disassemble as
    much to adjust the timing, as they would to replace the belt?
     
    Jamie, May 19, 2006
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  2. Jamie

    zencraps Guest

    Yes.

    The belt has three lines on it which must all line up with indicator
    marks on 3 gears.

    The way to "check the timing" is to loosen and remove the belt, put the
    gears in the proper position, then reaffix the belt.

    This is so whether you put on a new belt or use the old one.

    BTW, the indicator lines on the belt fade away pretty quick: if you
    cannot see them, a new belt is required, even if the old one is
    otherwise perfect.
     
    zencraps, May 19, 2006
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  3. Jamie

    zencraps Guest

    The timing is easy to check, with a power timing light, but if it is
    correct and there is a loss of power, you need to check whether the
    timing belt is properly aligned with the three gears it controls.

    The belt has three lines on it which must all line up with indicator
    marks on 3 gears.

    The way to "check the timing" is to loosen and remove the belt, put the
    gears in the proper position, then reaffix the belt.

    This is so whether you put on a new belt or use the old one.

    BTW, the indicator lines on the belt fade away pretty quick: if you
    cannot see them, a new belt is required, even if the old one is
    otherwise perfect.
     
    zencraps, May 19, 2006
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  4. Jamie

    Jamie Guest

    Thanks! Do you think I can easily remove the timing belt cover and
    visually inspect this without having to disassemble much?

    I'm at work and don't have my Hayne's manual to determine this now.
     
    Jamie, May 19, 2006
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  5. Jamie

    zencraps Guest

    IIRC, you must remove one or more drive belts before removing the t/c
    cover.
     
    zencraps, May 19, 2006
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  6. Jamie

    Jamie Guest

    Thanks. I took a test drive with a buddy for lunch and we seem to agree
    that it appears less a timing issue and more like the tranny isn't
    upshifting into 1st gear. Even at a dead stop, if I manually shift to
    first, it still works hard to get going and then it seems to be OK
    after.
     
    Jamie, May 19, 2006
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  7. Jamie

    John Horner Guest


    There are marks on the pulleys and covers which can be checked even with
    no white lines on the belt, but it does mean pulling the fan, etc. as
    needed to get the cover off.

    If this is a red block engine, tension adjustment is just a matter of
    removing a cap from the timing cover, loosening a nut, then tightening
    that nut. This is supposed to be done ~500 miles after a timing belt
    change. I wonder how often it actually gets done!

    You can also check the ignition timing with a standard strobe light.

    Ignition timing and valve timing are two different things, but people
    often confuse them.

    John
     
    John Horner, May 23, 2006
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  8. Jamie

    Jamie Guest

    Thanks! This is good to know. I am thinking the issue is transmission
    related, but I want to check the timing too.
     
    Jamie, May 23, 2006
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  9. Jamie

    James Sweet Guest


    Does it have a ZF 4 speed transmission? Those are notorious for burning
    themselves up if the engine is revved in park.
     
    James Sweet, May 24, 2006
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  10. Simply because you should never rev an engine in Park. That is what Neutral
    is for. In Park there is a very strong mechanical lock applied to the
    output shaft. On the ZF the internal pump is not engaged when Park is
    selected. There is nothing wrong with the ZF gearbox, any faults being
    caused by the person using it.

    All the best, Peter.

    700/900/90 Register Keeper,
    Volvo Owners Club (UK).
     
    Peter K L Milnes, May 25, 2006
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  11. Jamie

    Jamie Guest

    No. AW70.

    Thanks,
    Jamie
     
    Jamie, May 25, 2006
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  12. Jamie

    James Sweet Guest

    Nonsense, sure there's rarely reason to rev the engine in park, but that
    doesn't do much good once someone has done it now does it? A well
    designed slushbox will easily stand up to the abuse. There's a reason
    the AW boxes have a reputation of being bulletproof while the ZF's are
    notorious for being fragile.

    Of course I hate slushboxes in general so this is pretty much a moot point.
     
    James Sweet, May 25, 2006
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