New Volvo Wagons?

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Hey, any of you guys have an opinion on the 2005 Volvo wagons? How
about the V-50 or the XC -90? I have a C-70 convertible that has been
a pretty good car. I'm looking at a Subaru or a Volvo next.
Thanks and sorry if this is an old issue/question. I'm a newbie.
Fred
 
Hey, any of you guys have an opinion on the 2005 Volvo wagons? How
about the V-50 or the XC -90? I have a C-70 convertible that has been
a pretty good car. I'm looking at a Subaru or a Volvo next.
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The V70 or XC70 is closest to the C70.

The XC90 is a "truck" and is much larger and heavier.

The V50 is competitive with Subarus.

I would recommend the V70 AWD as the best. I have a XC70, but that is
because the V70 AWD wasn't available in '01.

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imho...you need to test drive a v70r for the afternoon...you will be
pleased.....i think...
 
imho...you need to test drive a v70r for the afternoon...you will be
pleased.....i think...
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I did test drive the V-50 and it is a rocket. Nice handling as well. I
understand it shares some Mazda and Ford parts, but it does not even
feel like the heavier Volvos. The wagon does not feel like a wagon,
but more like a sedan.
I was also looking at the VW counterparts to the V-50. I don't think I
am looking at the Toyotas.
--Fred
 
Stephen M. Henning said:
The V50 is competitive with Subarus.
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The V50 is a Mazda masquerading as a Volvo. If ever want to know why
some fault light is on, be prepared to pay the dealer $50.00 to do it
for you. Service data is not available to Volvo owners any more.


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Sorry Stephen the S40/V50 (new models) is a Ford Focus based machine. The
preceding S/V40 was a Mitsubishi Carisma based machine.

Cheers, Peter.

Stephen M. Henning said:
The V50 is competitive with Subarus.
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The V50 is a Mazda masquerading as a Volvo. If ever want to know why
some fault light is on, be prepared to pay the dealer $50.00 to do it
for you. Service data is not available to Volvo owners any more.


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Peter K L Milnes said:
The V50 is a Mazda masquerading as a Volvo. If ever want to know why
some fault light is on, be prepared to pay the dealer $50.00 to do it
for you. Service data is not available to Volvo owners any more.
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Where's my good service data on my 850? A haynes manual, ha. Independent
sectionized and overpriced Volvo sectionettes?

My Hondas came with $40 GREAT shop manuals and my VWs have all had excellent
Bentley manuals available.

It'd be different if I owned a 240 it seems, but don't think that the V50
started this.
 
Peter K L Milnes said:
The V50 is a Mazda masquerading as a Volvo.
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That assumes that every car built on the same platform is the same.
They are not. There are big differences. Even the size is different.

The power plants are different.
The suspension systems are different.
The drive systems are different.
The quality of steel in the chassis is different.
99% of the car is different.

The S80 and XC70 are built on the same platform. They are very
different. Extremely different.
 
Spambow said:
Hey, any of you guys have an opinion on the 2005 Volvo wagons? How
about the V-50 or the XC -90? I have a C-70 convertible that has been
a pretty good car. I'm looking at a Subaru or a Volvo next.
Thanks and sorry if this is an old issue/question. I'm a newbie.
Fred
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Tested V50 as a possibility to replace my year old V70 T5, as the family is
too good at spending my money.

V50 T5 fwd compare to 2004 V70 T5 fwd:

Pro V50:

Steering lock (the V70 has ***k all),
Easier to park than V70 (steering lock & size),
Bit cheaper,
Interior with B&O style console & natty graphics,
Fuel economy probably better.
May depreciate less than Titanic-style price dive in first year owning V70
(only time will tell).

Con V50:

V50 T5 does not feel as fast as V70 T5,
Chassis feel less refined than V70 (bit bouncier, less happy with bumpy
roads, steering less precise).,
Interior overall not as classy as V70
Mid-sized car feel instead of V70 big car feel allround,
More cramped when all the family junk is put in car,
Brakes feel 'wooden' (may have just been the one I drove),
Interior with B&O style console & natty graphics,
V50 target market is close to where Ford, Toyota, Honda, etc are at. Only
serious competitor to V70 are Merc estates & the upper end Audi estates.

Sounds like I've really trashed the V50! Overall I did think it was quite a
good car. In contrast I had a 1.8 S40 courtesy car recently & I despised
every single bit of it.
If you really don't need something as big as a V70 then it is cheaper, etc.
Given that it is new out, it may be worth waiting a year or so to see how
reliable it is & how popular they remain (thus you don't end up with a
'lemon').

Last note:- The V70 tends to provoke reaction in most people, not just car
enthusiasts. They tend to either admire it or are slightly envious. I
don't imagine I'd get the same reaction with a V50.
 
what's the difference between the v70 & v50?





I did test drive the V-50 and it is a rocket. Nice handling as well. I
understand it shares some Mazda and Ford parts, but it does not even
feel like the heavier Volvos. The wagon does not feel like a wagon,
but more like a sedan.
I was also looking at the VW counterparts to the V-50. I don't think I
am looking at the Toyotas.
--Fred
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V70 mk1 was 850 based, V70 mk2 is S60 based, V50 is Ford Focus based and is
the latest arrival on the Volvo scene. In short the V50 is smaller than the
V70.

Cheers, Peter.
 
what's the difference between the v70 & v50?
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They are both wagons. Other than that they have very little in common.
The v70 is based on the S60 and the V50 is based on the S40.

The V70 is essentially a wagon version of the S60. It's spacious and
useful, with large, comfortable seats. The front passenger's seatback
can fold to accommodate extra-long loads. The turbocharged 2.5-liter
engine is quick. But with all-wheel drive, both acceleration and fuel
economy suffer. The unintuitive audio system has been improved for 2005.
The XC70 model has all-wheel drive and a raised ride height. Its ride is
less comfortable than the regular V70's, and the steering feels vague
and imprecise. Reliability has been average. A very quick 300-hp,
all-wheel-drive R version tops the range.
Length, in. 186
Width, in. 73
Wheelbase, in. 109
Curb weight, lb. 3,815
Percent weight, front/rear 54/46
Typical towing ability, lb. 3,300

The V50 wagon is small but versatile inside. The V50 wagon is
significantly improved over the original, sharing mechanical components
with the Mazda3 and European Ford Focus. The car corners fairly nimbly,
but the ride is stiff. The standard 168-hp, 2.4-liter, five-cylinder
engine sounds raspy. A stronger, turbocharged 218-hp engine powers the
T5. Although externally smaller than the old model, the new one is
roomier inside. The driver's seat, driving position, and visibility are
all good, but the rear seat is very tight. All-wheel drive is available.
Length, in. 176 (10 inches shorter)
Width, in. 70 (3 inches narrower)
Wheelbase, in. 104 (5 inches shorter)
Curb weight, lb. 3,245 (570 pounds lighter)
Percent weight, front/rear 60/40 (less balanced)
Typical towing ability, lb. 2,000 (1,300# less)

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Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA, USA
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The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery.
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/volvo.html
 
Having had a 1997 S40 (classic), I wanted an estate and eagerly
awaited the V50. Went to have a look at the dealers, I think
"appalled" probably sums up my reaction pretty well.

The 2.0D engine is clearly very powerful, in common with the jaguar
x-type and the ford mondeo (volvo now being part of the ford group).
I wonder what else has been borrowed from the ford group? The V50
does not feel well screwed together, the doors give me the same
shuddering sensation as when I close the boot on my friend's skoda
octavia - and I'm scared of bending it!!

Anyhow, bought a 2nd hand V70 (pre ford involvement) and very happy.
2.5TDi engine, the Audi one just prior to the introduction of the D5.
£7,000 cheaper than a new V50 as well :-) Would highly recommend the
V70. And the doors feel very solid.
 
cool ... thanx everyone for the info.....
both wagons sound nice....
 
Andrew Potter said:
Tested V50 as a possibility to replace my year old V70 T5, as the family is
too good at spending my money.

V50 T5 fwd compare to 2004 V70 T5 fwd:

Pro V50:

Steering lock (the V70 has ***k all),
Easier to park than V70 (steering lock & size),
Bit cheaper,
Interior with B&O style console & natty graphics,
Fuel economy probably better.
May depreciate less than Titanic-style price dive in first year owning V70
(only time will tell).

Con V50:

V50 T5 does not feel as fast as V70 T5,
Chassis feel less refined than V70 (bit bouncier, less happy with bumpy
roads, steering less precise).,
Interior overall not as classy as V70
Mid-sized car feel instead of V70 big car feel allround,
More cramped when all the family junk is put in car,
Brakes feel 'wooden' (may have just been the one I drove),
Interior with B&O style console & natty graphics,
V50 target market is close to where Ford, Toyota, Honda, etc are at. Only
serious competitor to V70 are Merc estates & the upper end Audi estates.

Sounds like I've really trashed the V50! Overall I did think it was quite a
good car. In contrast I had a 1.8 S40 courtesy car recently & I despised
every single bit of it.
If you really don't need something as big as a V70 then it is cheaper, etc.
Given that it is new out, it may be worth waiting a year or so to see how
reliable it is & how popular they remain (thus you don't end up with a
'lemon').

Last note:- The V70 tends to provoke reaction in most people, not just car
enthusiasts. They tend to either admire it or are slightly envious. I
don't imagine I'd get the same reaction with a V50.
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Thanks for the feedback. Maybe I will look at a Honda CRV, Pilot or
the TOyota 4-Runner as well. I have heard some reports that Ford's
involvement with Volvo was a good marriage as opposed to their union
with Mazda, which was not.
The V-70 is too big for me. My wife has a C-70 convertible and it is a
boat! Nice turbo, but still big!!
--Fred
 
Having had a 1997 S40 (classic), I wanted an estate and eagerly
awaited the V50. Went to have a look at the dealers, I think
"appalled" probably sums up my reaction pretty well.

The 2.0D engine is clearly very powerful, in common with the jaguar
x-type and the ford mondeo (volvo now being part of the ford group).
I wonder what else has been borrowed from the ford group? The V50
does not feel well screwed together, the doors give me the same
shuddering sensation as when I close the boot on my friend's skoda
octavia - and I'm scared of bending it!!

Anyhow, bought a 2nd hand V70 (pre ford involvement) and very happy.
2.5TDi engine, the Audi one just prior to the introduction of the D5.
£7,000 cheaper than a new V50 as well :-) Would highly recommend the
V70. And the doors feel very solid.
Click to expand...

Chris--This is very interesting. I think I liked the feel of the V-50
over the V-70. But, I have not had the Volvo experience a lot of you
have had. To me, the V-70 I drove was nice. I don't know what to look
at next. I am hearing some horror stories about Hondas too. Oh well?
--Fred
 
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