S60 and synthetic oils

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I just put Mobil 1 in my '01 s60. The AmsOil I used in my Suzuki
claimed 24000 miles of life, with more frequent filter changes,
but I've been unable to find any stats on Mobil 1, and they
haven't yet answered my email.

Does anyone have experience on how long to keep this oil, and
when to change filters? I do moderate driving in New York. Engine
seems to be tight.


At 98K, I'm going to change the auto tranny oil, also with a
synthetic. But the owner's manual isn't clear on what grade to
use - it only gives a Volvo part number. I'd like to get both oil
and filter at a local store, if they carry them.

Thanks,
Paul
 
pb said:
I've been unable to find any stats on Mobil 1, and they
haven't yet answered my email.
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Just found their reply. En toto:

Mobil recommends that you take the oil to the high limit
that is stated in your owner's manual or once a year which
ever comes first.

There is no "high limit" in the Volvo manual; it's just 7500
miles, regardless of type of driving. I suspect that a
one-size-fits-all policy is not necessarily the best for
everyone.

pb
 
I have put Mobile1 5W-30 in my 1996 850. I am changing oil and filter twice
a year, October and April. 15W-50 summer, 5W-30 winter. Local garage here in
Canada charges $60 for Mobil1 oil and Mann filter.
 
Mobil recommends that you take the oil to the high limit
that is stated in your owner's manual or once a year which
ever comes first.

There is no "high limit" in the Volvo manual; it's just 7500
miles, regardless of type of driving.
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Do a used oil analysis at 7.5K miles to see how the oil is holding up
and whether it's OK to go longer than that. And in any case, I would
change the oil at least once a year if you don't drive much.

Also, you did not mention if you have a turbo or not. If you do, the
oil changes should be more frequent as turbo engines are harder on oil.

As far as filters, I'd either use OEM (Mann/Mahle I believe) or Mobil 1.

Finally, what oil were you using before that? If it was mineral oil,
you might want to go for just a short interval on your first run of
synthetic as it will start cleaning out all the sludge and dirt left by
the mineral oil so you want to get that out rather fast, say within 2-3K
miles (oil and filter).

Cheers,

Pete
 
Pete said:
Do a used oil analysis at 7.5K miles to see how the oil is holding up
and whether it's OK to go longer than that. And in any case, I would
change the oil at least once a year if you don't drive much.
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Good. I'll have to look into where I can have that done.
Also, you did not mention if you have a turbo or not. If you do, the
oil changes should be more frequent as turbo engines are harder on oil.
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Non turbo.
As far as filters, I'd either use OEM (Mann/Mahle I believe) or Mobil 1.
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I've got Purolator in it now, and I guess I'll change oil and
filter together.
Finally, what oil were you using before that? If it was mineral oil,
you might want to go for just a short interval on your first run of
synthetic as it will start cleaning out all the sludge and dirt left by
the mineral oil so you want to get that out rather fast, say within 2-3K
miles (oil and filter).
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It was petrol-based; you're advice sounds good. Thanks,

pb
 
A ha. At $20, it would pay for a fleet, perhaps, but not for one
car. Better to put the money into new oil.
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But maybe you don't need new oil at this time. That's the whole point.
Without a UOA, you'll never know what interval is safe.

Cheers,

Pete
 
Pete said:
But maybe you don't need new oil at this time. That's the whole point.
Without a UOA, you'll never know what interval is safe.
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So you would keep testing the oil, at $20 a hit, to see when it
broke down, then go by that number for future use?

Paul
 
So you would keep testing the oil, at $20 a hit, to see when it
broke down, then go by that number for future use?
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No. You only need to do the test once, but request the TBN test as well.
Based on the results, Blackstone will tell you what is the safe interval
to go on this oil, lets say 9K miles. From that point on, just keep
changing your oil according to that recommendation. No need to do
another test unless your driving patterns change or you start using a
different type/grade oil.

So basically, after you're done with the cleaning phase/interval, run
the next batch of synth. oil to let's say 7.5K miles. Drain it. Take a
sample while you drain. Send it to Blackstone and see what interval they
recommend for the future based on that sample. That's it.

Or you can just stick with 7.5K mile intervals and forget the analysis.
But I got a feeling from your original post that you wanted to see if
you could go longer than that. I personally run Castrol synth.
(previously M1) at only 5K mile intervals, but that is mainly for two
reasons:
1. my engine is a 1.8 liter turbo with aftermarket programming (more
boost) with a very small sump (3.7 quarts including filter)
2. it takes me almost a year to accumulate that 5K miles, so time is a
factor as well

After that interval, I already had a 1% fuel contamination in the oil -
lots of cold starts, short trips and cold winters will do that to you,
regardless if the oil is synthetic or not. Of course your conditions
and engine are probably different, so there's no way to tell what is a
safe interval unless you test it.

Cheers,

Pete
 
Pete said:
So basically, after you're done with the cleaning phase/interval, run
the next batch of synth. oil to let's say 7.5K miles. Drain it. Take a
sample while you drain. Send it to Blackstone and see what interval they
recommend for the future based on that sample. That's it.

Or you can just stick with 7.5K mile intervals and forget the analysis.
But I got a feeling from your original post that you wanted to see if
you could go longer than that. I personally run Castrol synth.
(previously M1) at only 5K mile intervals, but that is mainly for two
reasons:
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Excellent explanation, thanks very much. I take it they
extrapolate from the test data to determine the theoretical life
of the oil. Seems well worth it, if I decide to keep the car
multiyears (thinking about the G35 lately..).

My goal was indeed to stretch between oil changes. Funny, but the
Mobil 1 has had the effect of bringing some moderate-pitched
sounds out of the engine, like hearing the old valve lifter
clicking. My only other synth experience was Amsoil in a Suzuki
Sport, and there the engine grew quieter, not louder. The Amsoil
seemed to have more body to it also, but IIRC it was 10W/40
rather than this 10w/30. But as it stands now I would tend to go
with other than Mobil 1 next time, and maybe Amsoil again.

Paul
 
Pete,

How do you analyze oil?

Tim
Pete said:
Do a used oil analysis at 7.5K miles to see how the oil is holding up and
whether it's OK to go longer than that. And in any case, I would change
the oil at least once a year if you don't drive much.

Also, you did not mention if you have a turbo or not. If you do, the oil
changes should be more frequent as turbo engines are harder on oil.

As far as filters, I'd either use OEM (Mann/Mahle I believe) or Mobil 1.

Finally, what oil were you using before that? If it was mineral oil, you
might want to go for just a short interval on your first run of synthetic
as it will start cleaning out all the sludge and dirt left by the mineral
oil so you want to get that out rather fast, say within 2-3K miles (oil
and filter).

Cheers,

Pete
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Pete,

How do you analyze oil?
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You collect a sample and send it to a lab where they determine its
composition. Check the link(s) I provided in my other responses to pb.

Cheers,

Pete
 
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