Timing Belt Breaking just after warranty expires.

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Richard, Aug 29, 2003.

  1. Richard

    Richard Guest

    My mother has a 1998 Volvo V70 with 40,000 miles on it. It has a
    warranty of 5 years or 50,000 miles. It is just over 5 years old and the
    timing belt broke and they say some valves are damaged. It sounds expensive.
    Is there anything that can be done besides just paying the bill. Is there
    any way I can get Volvo to cover all or part of this bill? Thanks
     
    Richard, Aug 29, 2003
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  2. It depend on what kind of service your had on it. In Norway and the rest of
    Scandinavia Volvo have a service program, with spesific things to check for
    each service. I suppose that it's the same all around the world. So if your
    have followed Volvos service program, you should check the service reports.
    If a Volvo service partner has recently checked or replaced the timing belt,
    as a part of the service program, you could have a chance to get all or some
    of the bill covered by Volvo.

    If you haven't followed the service program, you probably have no chance to
    get the bill covered.

    Good luck!

    - Leiv Magne Faane, Norway
    '96 Volvo 244 GLE, B230A, 260000 km
     
    Leiv Magne Faane, Aug 29, 2003
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  3. Richard

    Richard Guest

    The service program was followed. It said that the belt did not need to
    be changed till 70,000 miles. So it hadn't been. Unfortunatlely the belt
    broke after 42,000 miles and a little over 5 years. It seems like the belt
    is defective to me.
     
    Richard, Aug 29, 2003
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  4. Richard

    Mike F Guest

    Seems too early to me too. As a data point, I have a 98 V70 T5 that
    went into service in March 1998 with 105k km on it. I'm planning to do
    the timing belt next service, which should be soon. The turbo may be a
    little easier on the belt considering that the valve lift is slightly
    less than the non turbo. And there's nothing to service in the belt
    area, so service is a moot point unless it was so bad that a camshaft
    seized.
     
    Mike F, Aug 29, 2003
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  5. But I think the service program should include checking the timing belt on
    sertain intervals, exactly to prevent early and fatal failures like this to
    happen. A timing belt don't often break without having had visual damage for
    some time.

    Another point: If Volvo considers 40000 miles to early to be checking this
    in their service program, you can claim that this should be considered as a
    warranty case. Obviously, dealers would think different about this, because
    they probably want to avoid expenses like that. However, if the dealer want
    to make sure that you will use them as your Volvo dealer and service partner
    in the future, they should consider to help you out with this.

    Ones again, good luck. Hope you find a good solution.

    - Leiv Magne Faane, Norway
    '86 Volvo 244 GLE, B230A, 260000 km
     
    Leiv Magne Faane, Aug 30, 2003
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  6. If that assessment is in writing, sounds like you have a possible case.

    I'm not a lawyer, though - so double-check everything.
     
    Joseph Oberlander, Aug 30, 2003
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  7. Whatever repair the dealer suggests, you/they might suggest paying a
    proportion of the cost....eg if you got 40000 out of a part which is
    replaced at 80000, then a 50% contribution might make them accept some
    responsibility.
     
    Conrad Edwards, Aug 30, 2003
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  8. I think that you will be offered a percentage contribution. If the belt has
    a "lifetime" or life expectancy of 70K miles, and yours has failed at 42K
    miles, you may well be offered a contribution of up to 40%, i.e. the balance
    of the unused life.

    If you see what I mean.

    Regards

    Chris M

    C70 T5 GT '99
     
    Chris Mulvihill, Aug 30, 2003
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  9. Richard

    Gary Heston Guest

    Paying a percentage of the belt might be reasonable, but I think Volvo
    should pay for the engine repair.

    The cost of the belt is going to be trivial compared to the cost of fixing
    the internal damage caused by the pistons hitting valves.

    Interference engines: Just Say No.


    Gary
    1972 145
     
    Gary Heston, Aug 30, 2003
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  10. Richard

    G Klein Guest

    I am sure that Volvo states 70K miles or a amount of
    time for the belt to be changed you have to look in
    your owners booklet for time & mileage requirements for
    the belt change
     
    G Klein, Aug 31, 2003
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  11. A timing belt is only a thin piece of rubber, so change this belt
    regurlarly, to avoid damages like this. Subaru says when a belt breaks on
    one of their cars, there is no further damage to the engine. But Ferrari
    recommands changing these belts every year. Such a belt is not so expensive
    to delay this repair. Watch all the trouble you have. Don't trust all the
    advises from a car manufactury. The work to be done by a belt is very heavy,
    it is allright for a little car with no more valves than necessary, for a
    small engine.
    In my opinion a car with a timing belt should be avoided, and otherwise have
    this kind of belt changed before its time. Although my Volvo 244 from 1977
    had no trouble at all, but the belt was changed every 60.00 kilometers. And
    my Volvo 760 V6 has a chain, no trouble at all. But chains can break too,
    this causes an expensive and perhaps an impossible repair.
    Sorry, for these remarks.
    Gijs van Herpen
     
    Gijs van Herpen, Aug 31, 2003
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  12. A lot of when to change the belt is statistics.
    Volvo and the belt manufacturer will specify a design, and estimate
    the number of belt failures at various mileages.
    The service interval of 80000miles may be adequate for 99.999% of
    engines, but someone will be the 0.001% who has an early failure.
     
    Conrad Edwards, Aug 31, 2003
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  13. Richard

    Aleric Guest

    I agree. But, from the owner's standpoint, it also depends on what is at
    stake, i.e. the potential repair cost, etc.

    I don't have too much to worry about it with my 940, with it's B230FT
    non-interference engine, but with my BMW 3 series M20 power plant, it's a
    different story. I've heard horror stories... BMW recommends a belt change
    at 60K miles, but many owners do it at 50K just to be on the safe side.

    Bob
     
    Aleric, Aug 31, 2003
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  14. But even then you'd be buggered if the belt broke at 40k....I think in
    these cases it's best to go to your dealer (if dealer serviced) or
    Volvo UK and show them the service intervals have been adhered to, and
    suggest they make a contribution....
    How would Sale of Goods Act bear on this if the service life is 80k?
    Goods have to be fit for purpose...so a belt that breaks at 40k
    obviously isn't.
    I wonder if anyone has ever gone to the Small Claims Court?
     
    Conrad Edwards, Sep 1, 2003
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  15. Richard

    PaNjDeFemale Guest

    Gary, can you tell us how much this piston problem can cost to repair? We are
    relative newcomers to volvos and have a '91 740 wagon, purchased with 80,000
    mi., checked prior to purchase by our mechanic. Would he probably have checked
    the timing belt to see the condition? No trouble with it that we know of but
    we glean that they need changing at regular intervals. Thanks for reading.

    Sherry
     
    PaNjDeFemale, Sep 1, 2003
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  16. Richard

    Gary Heston Guest

    Depending upon the engine, somewhere between $2000 and $4000.

    Repair would involve pulling the engine, replacing all pistons and
    rods (they're balanced as a set), all the damaged valves, pushrods
    (if in the engine), as well as all the bearings, gaskets, and such
    associated with an engine rebuild. Then, of course, the engine has
    to be reinstalled...

    This assumes that the crank and cam shafts aren't damaged. I think
    that's a remote possibility, though.


    Gary
     
    Gary Heston, Sep 1, 2003
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    James Sweet Guest

    It would involve rebuilding the whole engine, which in my experience is
    about $2000 plus whatever it costs to remove and install it, something I'd
    do myself personally.
     
    James Sweet, Sep 1, 2003
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  18. Richard

    Aleric Guest

    If I'm not mistaken, I believe you have a B230 engine (non-interference) in
    your 740, in which case a timing belt failure is unlikely to cause
    significant damage. However, it would be nice if you could find out when
    the belt was changed so there are no surprises on the road.
     
    Aleric, Sep 1, 2003
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  19. Richard

    James Sweet Guest

    If it's a B230 then yes that's true, I think they mentioned it's a 16v
    engine though, in which case damage will occur.
     
    James Sweet, Sep 1, 2003
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    kao Guest

    If you have an interference engine, the timing belt breaking can be
    deadly. Change it every 40k to 50k. Also, you may want to change the
    water pump at the first change of the timing belt. THey have to take it
    off anyway so the incremental cost of the changeover is limited.



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    kao, Sep 1, 2003
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