V70 spoiler

Discussion in 'Volvo V70' started by Andrew Potter, Oct 4, 2004.

  1. I'm not bragging 'cos I got a spoiler but I have had my V70 for a year
    now & I finally got the official Volvo rear spoiler fitted that I'd promised
    I'd get when I got the chance.

    Wow, what a benefit! I never noticed my car had a slight tendency to be a
    bit light at the back at higher speeds, not till it was corrected by the
    spoiler. Blighty has been very gusty over the last few days & I have been
    amazed how stable it is compared to what it was. I recommend getting one to
    anybody who regularly drives over 50mph for any distance. I just wished I
    worked for Volvo so I could get a commission if I sold any!

    Highly recommended

    Andy P.
     
    Andrew Potter, Oct 4, 2004
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  2. A spoiler can only work by increasing wind resistance and converting
    that to downforce. They really don't do much under 100 mph. How much
    did it knock your gas mileage down. If it didn't, then it isn't doing
    anything.

    Race cars use them at speeds of 150 to 200 mph, not highway speeds.
    Most street cars just have them to impress their friends, not for
    function.
     
    S. M. Henning, Oct 4, 2004
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  3. Andrew Potter

    Bonnet Lock Guest

    In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
    Precisely! My V70 came with a factory-fitted spoiler from new. It looks
    nice, but I'm not convinced that it has any real *practical* value.
     
    Bonnet Lock, Oct 4, 2004
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  4. Andrew Potter

    Rob Guenther Guest

    Not trying to knock the original poster... Sometimes when you buy something,
    and you excpect it to do something - even when it doesn't you just have a
    consious belief that it is in fact making a noticeable difference. People
    who don't know you have it won't feel it, and they probably won't even if
    you ask if it made a difference,they will probably be humouring you when
    they say "ohh yah, I can really feel it". It's an actual psycological thing
    that's going on.

    Of course there's always getting out the proper test equipment and seeing
    for yourself, but that involes time, money, and effort, and of course...
    lots of skill most likely.
     
    Rob Guenther, Oct 4, 2004
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  5. [Bonnet Lock] (Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:30:06 +0100):
    Well, the practical value can be that the car gets less dirty on the back
    when it has a spoiler..
     
    Svein Tore Sølvik, Oct 5, 2004
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  6. Andrew Potter

    Bonnet Lock Guest

    In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
    Yes, that may well be true. I was thinking more in terms of handling - where
    the aerodynamic forces generated by the spoiler (at speeds legal in the UK
    anyway!) are too small to have much effect.
     
    Bonnet Lock, Oct 5, 2004
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  7. I think your mixing-up spoilers & wings. Spoilers do just that to the
    ariflow, thus they do add drag. A wing is what a racecar has & is the
    upside-down version of an aircraft wing. It is a low-drag way to get
    downforce, that's why racecars use them. The V70 spoiler is very much like
    a wind, therefore I think it does not add much drag. Example:- standard V70
    quote Cd is @0.3-0.31 & V70R, which comes with the spoiler as standard, has
    a quoted Cd of 0.35. This is with extra intakes in the front, so I guess
    the spoiler adds very little drag. It should also work well at any speed
    above 70mph if I had time to do the maths I could prove it, suffice to say
    that drag is cubed with increasing speed & around 50-70mph is more
    significant than other forms of drag. There, I think I've made my point.
     
    Andrew Potter, Oct 5, 2004
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  8. In my defence I can say I have done over 26K miles in my first year of
    ownership. The V70 has been a real education as regards driving experience
    & I constantly find it showing me how poor my driving is & how well the car
    drives, except on comedy-small bumpy roads when the poor lock & short
    suspension travel jarrs a bit. But I digress..

    26K miles, mostly motorway. One thing I did find noticeable at high
    motorway speeds was a light feeling at the back end. I go back to my
    earlier statement that I feel my driving ability is crap, despite having
    ridden bikes since I was 17 & bikes & cars since I was 21. I'm now 35 & I
    still consider my skills are poor, thus I did not really trust my judgement
    with the cars handling. All I did notice after the spoiler was fitted was
    that at the same speeds as before I was expecting the car to feel the same
    way as I have been used to for the past year, but it was totally different.
    It is most noticeable in gusty conditions with undulating road surfaces. It
    does feel more planted on the road, which you would expect.

    Just thought I'd pass-on my experience as I thought it would help others who
    felt the same. Maybe if I put some weight in the back like the Police do,
    maybe I wouldn't need downforce on the back!


     
    Andrew Potter, Oct 5, 2004
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  9. Gas mileage-wise it's at about 27mpg, which is exactly as it was before. I
    have had over 30mpg when I was driving for economy, but I've been doing
    80-100 on main roads so I can say it has not affected fuel economy
    noticeably, but I guess Volvo don't fit it when they compile the official
    mpg figures. They'd be a bit stupid to!
     
    Andrew Potter, Oct 5, 2004
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  10. Then it isn't doing anything.
     
    S. M. Henning, Oct 6, 2004
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  11. Actually a true spoiler reduces drag by reducing (spoiling) air
    turbulence.
    However, wings on race cars increase drag and decrease gas mileage. If
    you don't believe me, then watch the Daytona NASCAR race. It is one
    race where downforce, drag and fuel economy are at all at a premium and
    the cars are very sensitive to each. They optimize downforce to reduce
    drag and increase fuel economy. But they are going 180 MPH.
     
    S. M. Henning, Oct 6, 2004
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  12. Andrew Potter

    AB Guest

    Spoilers reduce turbulence....and downforce increases drag
    Therefore spoilers improve consumption while downforce worsen consumption
    (and in this case we see no change in consumption).
    And following the thread of the argument further, is it not possible that we
    have a reduction in turbulence improving the economy AND also a small amount
    of downforce increasing consumption by the same amount???
    A reduction in turbulence can also improve stability hence this could be
    what is being observed.


    Just my .02.....
     
    AB, Oct 6, 2004
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  13. Andrew Potter

    Chuck R Guest

    I have a 2004 XC70 and drive the Autoban here in Germany from a 160km
    to 180km constantly with no spoiler and haven't felt anything abnormal
    in the rear. Like one said here it keeps the dirt down.

    Have too admit it is a great car!!!!
     
    Chuck R, Oct 8, 2004
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  14. Chuck;

    Is that--160-180 KMPH a typical speed in Germany for decent non hot rod
    cars--just a bit over 100-110 MPH?

    Do many people zip along well over 200 KMPH, or is the traffic so thick as
    to make this imposable?


    Here in the east coast USA major roads are around 75-80 MPH--just under 130
    KMPH around cities during busy times--NJ Turnpike, Pa Turnpike, Rt 95 etc...
     
    Steve n Holly, Oct 11, 2004
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  15. Andrew Potter

    Tim Hobbs Guest

    IME you can only really press on at quiet times, early morning, late
    night etc. During the day the autobahn seems to be more congested
    than even British motorways. In thin traffic I'd say that there are
    lots of cars doing 100mph, but the trucks still hold up the job,
    especially on the narrower autobahns.

    The standard of autobahn driving is much higher than in other
    countries I've driven - I guess it pays to check your mirrors before
    pulling out when something could be approaching behind at 180mph.

    Notwithstanding, on several occasions I've topped 150 mph in Germany.
    On virtually every occasion there was a 911 or something similar 4
    feet from my rear bumper. Clearly there are plenty of places in
    Germany where you can get the 155mph limiter removed!


    --

    Tim Hobbs

    '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
    '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
    '03 Volvo V70

    My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
    Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
    Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
     
    Tim Hobbs, Oct 11, 2004
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  16. Andrew Potter

    Chuck R Guest

    Yes, it is a typical speed and at times I am passed or get lights
    flashes at me to move over so I can be passed.

    Chuck
     
    Chuck R, Oct 11, 2004
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  17. Andrew Potter

    Brian Drake Guest

    It must be heaven !

    Brian
    East Coast US
     
    Brian Drake, Oct 12, 2004
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  18. Andrew Potter

    Tim Hobbs Guest

    To be fair, there isn't much derestricted autobahn left. Most of it
    seems to be limited (and it's been a while since I was over there so
    there's probably less now). What remains is very good though!


    --

    Tim Hobbs

    '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
    '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
    '03 Volvo V70

    My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
    Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
    Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
     
    Tim Hobbs, Oct 12, 2004
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  19. If you ever saw an accident on the Autobahn you would think differently.
    In one accident I saw, the entire side of a car was sheared off. You
    could see the people inside what was left of the car. The car that hit
    them was wrapped around trees way down the road. I don't know if there
    were any survivors.
     
    Stephen M. Henning, Oct 12, 2004
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  20. Andrew Potter

    Rob Guenther Guest

    Yah, my dad was in a collision on the autobahn, he said it's the most brutal
    experience you can ever have... In a Mercedes "E-class" of the 1970's - got
    rear ended by someone going way too fast trying to get to the exit, when he
    was trying to merge onto the road - spun, got nailed in the hood by some
    smaller cars, then the trunk, then the hood, then the rear pasenger
    compartment etc etc... kept spinning.... Walked away with bruises and
    cuts... the Benz had no front or rear so to speak of.. the engine took a
    trip down the road, his luggage was in the ditch in pieces - the steel shell
    protected the cabin... don't think anyone died but about 3-4 cars were
    invloved.... he said that was about normal when there is an accident. This
    was back when unrestricted zones were much more common and he was merging
    into one....

    They don't crash as often, but when they do its BAD... he said his wasn't
    even anything to talk about
     
    Rob Guenther, Oct 13, 2004
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