Volvo ownership and maintenance

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Dan, Sep 15, 2004.

  1. Dan

    Dan Guest

    I have been reading this group for about a week and I can't help but wonder:
    Why do I get the impression that most of the people in this group really can't
    afford to drive a Volvo and are always looking for the cheapest, most Mickey
    Mouse way to make repairs? If you can't maintain an old or new Volvo
    properly, don't buy one! Find a beater Chevy Cavalier instead. It will look
    more at home next to your double-wide, you might be able to afford repairs,
    and, in the likely event that you can't afford repairs, there are plenty of
    parts in the junk yard--or even in front of your neighbor's house,
    conveniently perched on cinder blocks.

    D. FraWillem
     
    Dan, Sep 15, 2004
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  2. Dan

    John Ellison Guest

    Au contraire, my cynical chum. I can afford to run my Volvo - I wouldn't
    have bought one or any other car for that matter if I couldn't. But ask
    yourself this - given the choice of doing a job yourself for minimum cost,
    or letting a dealer do it and robbing you blind, what would you do?

    I suspect, that since you most likely have more money than sense, you would
    take the latter path...
     
    John Ellison, Sep 15, 2004
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  3. Change dealers!

    My dealer posts all his charges in advance. No surprises. He usually
    adds extra perks that are free when I go in. He knows that if he keeps
    me happy I will buy several more Volvos from him. The maintenance in
    minimal even though I drive my cars 180,000 miles. Routine maintenance
    costs about 1% TO 1.5% of purchase price annually. That is less than I
    loose to inflation and much less than I loose to depreciation.
     
    Stephen M. Henning, Sep 15, 2004
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  4. Dan

    Dan Guest

    | | > I have been reading this group for about a week and I can't help but
    | wonder:
    | > Why do I get the impression that most of the people in this group really
    | can't
    | > afford to drive a Volvo and are always looking for the cheapest, most
    | Mickey
    | > Mouse way to make repairs? If you can't maintain an old or new Volvo
    | > properly, don't buy one! Find a beater Chevy Cavalier instead. It will
    | look
    | > more at home next to your double-wide, you might be able to afford
    | repairs,
    | > and, in the likely event that you can't afford repairs, there are plenty
    | of
    | > parts in the junk yard--or even in front of your neighbor's house,
    | > conveniently perched on cinder blocks.
    | >
    | > D. FraWillem
    | >
    | >
    |
    | Au contraire, my cynical chum. I can afford to run my Volvo - I wouldn't
    | have bought one or any other car for that matter if I couldn't. But ask
    | yourself this - given the choice of doing a job yourself for minimum cost,
    | or letting a dealer do it and robbing you blind, what would you do?
    |
    | I suspect, that since you most likely have more money than sense, you would
    | take the latter path...
    |
    |

    You mean that you do the jobs such as those that people ask for help doing
    here? The kind that, once the do-it-yourselfer has done it, have engendered
    2-3 new problems because Mr. Handyman has botched the job thanks to ineptitude
    and/or trying to do it on the cheap? I'll stick with my dealer, who has given
    me excellent, reasonably priced, reliable, service and outstanding prices on
    the several new Volvos I have purchased from him.

    D. FraWillem
     
    Dan, Sep 15, 2004
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  5. Dan

    John Horner Guest

    Character assassinating troll. Yawn.
     
    John Horner, Sep 15, 2004
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  6. Dan

    NCMan Guest

    Wow, are you off-base with that sweeping statement of affordability.

    If I chose to, every year I could buy the most expensive Volvo model sold in
    the US and burn last years model just for fun, with no change in a very
    comfortable and indulgent lifestyle.

    I choose to own drive an older Volvo because I (gasp!) enjoy tinkering with
    a mechanical beast - it gives me a break from my international work and
    relaxes me. But certainly not because I cannot afford it. That assumption is
    really off-base.
     
    NCMan, Sep 15, 2004
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  7. Dan

    AB Guest

    Ok... so for kicks you read newsgroups....

    We on the other hand all enjoy making our cars as run as well as we possibly
    can.
    As for the affordability, if you have the time and the knowledge it is very
    easy to save considerable amounts of money doing your work on your car
    yourself. Just because it isn't your daytime job and you aren't a 'mechanic'
    doesn't make the quality of the work any less. In fact as you have a vested
    interest in making the job as good as possible there is every probability
    the job will be done better than a 'qualified' mechanic. I recently had a
    part of my engine management fail. The dealer wanted to charge me two hours
    labour for a job I knew I could do in only 20 minutes. So I got the part,
    fitted it myself and then gave it back to them to reprogram the ECU.... so
    who was the mug? Me for doing it myself or the bloke off the street for
    paying them for 2 hours for what was in effect a 20 minute job?

    All cars have tricks and traps and ways of doing things. This newsgroup is
    all about sharing our experiences, passing on the tricks and making the care
    of our vehicles easier. Don't confuse the people on this newsgroup with the
    boy racers who change things on their cars and end up making a pigs ear of
    it, lowering it to the point of having less suspension travel than a
    wheelbarrow, making it noisier than a 747 on take off and slower than the
    standard car was. The people here are just maintaining a good car in the
    best way they can.

    So I suggest you get off your fat ar*e, stop reading newsgroups and posting
    pointless comments and go buy yourself a car you like and want to work on.
    Or are you so ignorant you have no idea how.....?
     
    AB, Sep 15, 2004
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  8. Dan

    Jim Brown Guest

    Greetings:

    Yeah, you're right... you're really slumming here. Go away if you don't
    like it.

    Regards, Jim Brown
     
    Jim Brown, Sep 15, 2004
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  9. Dan

    James Sweet Guest

    It's not a matter of being able to afford it, I enjoy maintaining my own
    cars and won't let anyone else touch them unless I'm supervising. An old
    beater Volvo is just as cheap to maintain as an old beater Cavalier and
    it'll hold up to a lot more abuse.
     
    James Sweet, Sep 16, 2004
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  10. Just made the jump from Honda and Acura (after being scared out of my wits
    in a crash). The car needs some work, but all the repairs seem to be *half*
    the price of what I would've paid on the previous cars.

    The mechanical layout makes much more sense to me and seems to be a lot more
    "user-serviceable" Much like my A2 Jetta, I can fit my fingers in the engine
    bay.

    I'm quite happy with my 95 850.

    My sister's Cavalier on the otherhand is a 99 and falling to pieces even
    though it's well maintained as per schedule and driven moderately.
     
    Franz Bestuchev, Sep 16, 2004
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    Seth Jackson Guest

    What if you're right? What's it to you?

    - Seth Jackson

    Songwriting & Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net
     
    Seth Jackson, Sep 16, 2004
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  12. Dan

    AB Guest

    You wouldn't by any chance work for a Volvo dealer would you?
     
    AB, Sep 16, 2004
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  13. The Honda did badly in a crash? I was thinking quite seriously of a Acura
    TL rather then a S-80...

    That said, how do people with T-6 S-80's like them? How are they holding
    up?

    --Steve
     
    Steve n Holly, Sep 16, 2004
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  14. You know...

    My wife and I bought a used 1997 850, with ~100K miles on it last year for
    $8k after a awful accident where our 1998 ford Taurus saved my life. The
    Taurus did quite well, however I had a head bang from the lack of side air
    bags and wanted same.

    The 850 just radiated good vibes, although the very serious, adult feeling
    of the 100 and 200 series is missing. The car has 120 on it now and I
    brought it back to where we got it because I want to establish a
    relationship with them. $700 including a drivers door rub strip.

    It all adds up, but the loaner was a Toyota Camry, a fine car. It was no
    Volvo, the Volvo is worth it, and I think having the dealer or a Volvo
    specialist work on it is worth while.

    That said hell if I will give me 400 for front brakes, 350 for rears, or 500
    for the abs module--I just sent Victor Rocha money for the ABS and when the
    brakes are down to 10% I shall replace them myself.

    The guy told me that Volvo disks (rotors) are not made with any additional
    metal, so cutting is no longer done--they just replace the whole disk with
    pads. Some other Volvo sites say that its a good idea to do front pads and
    rotors as a set, and feedback please?

    Anyway the point here is:

    1) Volvo makes a nice car we all seem to like
    2) Volvo techs charge a lot for service
    3) By doing selected jobs one can save quite a bit of money
    4) Even if I could pay $750 for front and rear brakes, which I could, I
    would rather pay $3-400 for just the Volvo parts (apples to apples) and have
    $350 for other things, like driving my wife in our Volvo somewhere for a
    weekend for oh, say $350 or so for 2 nights room and some nice meals...get
    it?
    5) By being honest about when we **** up we help our fellow Volvo drivers
    all over the world avoid our mistakes. Point is the stereo--I am thinking
    of upgrading the head end on the 850, but reading the group no way I will do
    that with out a custom adapter so it's a plug and play deal--never shall I
    cut a wire.
     
    Steve n Holly, Sep 16, 2004
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    Rob Guenther Guest

    Maybe some people like working on their cars... Me and my father both find
    it a tedious job, so we don't... but can if need be (i've done brakes, oil
    changes, filters and such... nothing big).

    At least no one here drives around in a rattling deathtrap from years of
    neglect and misuse.
     
    Rob Guenther, Sep 16, 2004
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  16. It was an Integra (91, sport suspension) and it helds its own against an 84
    Olds at 55. The car was totalled but I only received the usual whiplash/seat
    belt burn.

    I chose a Volvo for the next car because I was sick of staring truck bumpers
    in the face, and that Integra was just tempting my fate.
     
    Franz Bestuchev, Sep 16, 2004
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  17. Dan

    dan Guest

    1)it may be human nature, pride, or enjoyment that has many Volvo owners
    become (DYI) do it your self types like myself. I frequent this news
    group for advise so I can become more knowledgable about tricks and
    where to get hard to find parts, quick tips about tackling usually
    painstaking work like the heater core or blower replacement on 240
    series. The very fact that the first poster of this thread has been
    refered as cynical by another NG camper proves that the poster shouldn't
    be camped here and perhaps belongs to that of alt.alt Generous Motors
    LOL, with all the complaints about the poor workmanship, driveability
    issues and the like should be where comments like those left here from
    Your dealer is a one in a million, don't move away or ask the dealer
    to follow you, it's more than likely you'll find out what I'm talking
    about? Most dealers or all make repair shops couldn't survive being
    honest! Their lack of ability to properly diagnose haunts them into
    ripping off unsuspecting clients they probably only attract as a matter
    of convenience and things like being open late or 7 days a week. Also
    ask yourself this if you were a top Technician for any manufactured car
    would you hold out for the job at Joes happy motors and work all shifts
    including weekends or a respectable repair shop who is so good doesn't
    have to advertise simply satisfied customers telling success stories to
    prospective customers nets new business almost every couple of days? If
    you were normal I'd be saying to your advisor something that goes like
    this: No need to call with any details about what my car's problem is as
    I have complete faith in your technicians here.
    2) I am in the car dealer business myself and can squeeze the typical
    favour with the techs but still I prefer to try my own repairs, that's
    in the bloodline of many Volvo owners especially the 200 and maybe even
    up to the 900 series of Volvo cars, then there is the European models
    400 300 etc. HELL WHAT ABOUT CLASSICS P1800 140's who ya gonna let
    mess those up? Hey the way I feel if anyone is going to F*~k up my car
    it may as well be me.
    3)If this group was moderated and I was the moderator and you posted
    like you did I would send you a warning and you would be asked to either
    re-word and offer an apology or face being kicked off.
    4) So after all is said and done from the rest of the threads of haven't
    even read yet I think you need to make another follow up post or camp in
    another bleeding NG who thrive on such style of writing.
    5) Ya all have a great day now, ya hear?
     
    dan, Sep 17, 2004
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  18. Dan

    dan Guest

    1)it may be human nature, pride, or enjoyment that has many Volvo owners
    become (DYI) do it your self types like myself. I frequent this news
    group for advise so I can become more knowledgable about tricks and
    where to get hard to find parts, quick tips about tackling usually
    painstaking work like the heater core or blower replacement on 240
    series. The very fact that the first poster of this thread has been
    refered as cynical by another NG camper proves that the poster shouldn't
    be camped here and perhaps belongs to that of alt.alt Generous Motors
    LOL, with all the complaints about the poor workmanship, driveability
    issues and the like should be where comments like those left here from
    Your dealer is a one in a million, don't move away or ask the dealer
    to follow you, it's more than likely you'll find out what I'm talking
    about? Most dealers or all make repair shops couldn't survive being
    honest! Their lack of ability to properly diagnose haunts them into
    ripping off unsuspecting clients they probably only attract as a matter
    of convenience and things like being open late or 7 days a week. Also
    ask yourself this if you were a top Technician for any manufactured car
    would you hold out for the job at Joes happy motors and work all shifts
    including weekends or a respectable repair shop who is so good doesn't
    have to advertise simply satisfied customers telling success stories to
    prospective customers nets new business almost every couple of days? If
    you were normal I'd be saying to your advisor something that goes like
    this: No need to call with any details about what my car's problem is as
    I have complete faith in your technicians here.
    2) I am in the car dealer business myself and can squeeze the typical
    favour with the techs but still I prefer to try my own repairs, that's
    in the bloodline of many Volvo owners especially the 200 and maybe even
    up to the 900 series of Volvo cars, then there is the European models
    400 300 etc. HELL WHAT ABOUT CLASSICS P1800 140's who ya gonna let
    mess those up? Hey the way I feel if anyone is going to F*~k up my car
    it may as well be me.
    3)If this group was moderated and I was the moderator and you posted
    like you did I would send you a warning and you would be asked to either
    re-word and offer an apology or face being kicked off.
    4) So after all is said and done from the rest of the threads of haven't
    even read yet I think you need to make another follow up post or camp in
    another bleeding NG who thrive on such style of writing.
    5) Ya all have a great day now, ya hear?
     
    dan, Sep 17, 2004
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  19. This guy doesn't understand the fun of tinkering with our boys toys,
    enthusiastic is a mild way of putting it as for a Chevy or Ford ,what sad
    taste? .Yes I would take my Chevy or Ford to the dealer too they are just
    not fun .Proud to say I,ve never owned a GM car or Japanese ,or German car
    ..In fact what attracts people to German cars bewilders me .Done millions of
    Miles driving 45 years COMMERCIALLY so I know my cars that's why I drive a
    Volvo privately .
     
    John Robertson, Sep 17, 2004
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  20. Dan

    daniel Guest

    Well put James, I made simular comments to the first jerk back when
    thread was just starting out so I doubt anyone will read back that far
    now, I also thought I sent him a copy but noticed the (nospam) attached
    to the thread in the other guys email address and was too late to stop
    my reply and direct to the Dan(). Oh well He need
    camp out with his beloved GM scrap heaps - sorry I couldn't help it, I
    feel bad that one feels they need to assassinate characters to get their
    jollies here in our news worthy NG, and you are a valuable asset to this
    NG not smoe dick no-it-all who slanders us after observations for only
    one week, I mean like isn't enough trash out here like the millions of
    porno sites one could get more jollies from?

    Thanks James for all your input in Alt.auto.volvo

    Dan H
     
    daniel, Sep 17, 2004
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