1980 Volvo 240 electrical wiring question ("box" on firewall)

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by mot12345, Jan 7, 2005.

  1. mot12345

    mot12345 Guest

    My question is about this electic box, mounted on the firewall to the
    left of the engine, see image here:

    http://www.alexandria.ucsb.edu/~rnott/tmp/Volvo240_electricDetail.JPG

    The bigger overview picture is here:
    http://www.alexandria.ucsb.edu/~rnott/tmp/Volvo240_electric.JPG

    Can someone tell me what this box with six connections does? Two of
    the wires are very frayed, as you can see (the one on the third row to
    the right, and the lowermost one; what are those?).

    I'll be grateful for any information on this (description, web links,
    books, anything).

    Thanks,

    Wolfgang
    Santa Barbara, CA
     
    mot12345, Jan 7, 2005
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    athol Guest

    It's a connector. Joins the wiring of the main harness in the car
    (dashboard, etc.) to the wiring on the engine. The wires there
    include starter solenoid power, temperature gauge sender, oil
    pressure warning light sender and power from the fuel pump relay
    under the dash to the EFI components on the engine (cold start
    enrichment, etc.).

    Basically, the engine bay heat has cooked the wiring.

    I'm sure that others will be able to provide information on
    repairing this using OEM parts. I repaired it on my '80 264 by
    replacing the entire connector with a GM part (soldered wires
    on car side of connector) then made a new harness for the 350
    chev.
     
    athol, Jan 7, 2005
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  3. mot12345

    mot12345 Guest

    Also, I am having trouble starting this VOLVO and I'm wondering whether
    the cause might be electrical, perhaps related to said connector
    box/main harness. The engine runs fine once it's is on, but it's very
    hard to start -- needs a LOT of cranking, especially when the engine is
    cold (it's a little easier when the engine is hot). Could an
    electrical problem related to the connector box/main harness have
    anything to do with this.

    Thanks.
    rnott at alexanria. ucsb. edu
     
    mot12345, Jan 7, 2005
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    Mike F Guest

    You have to fix the wiring harness anyway, why not fix it and see if the
    problem goes away? Also look for the same problem under the intake
    manifold and behind the alternator.

    --
    Mike F.
    Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont.

    Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly.
    (But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.)
     
    Mike F, Jan 7, 2005
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    Robert Dietz Guest

    The black wire in the plug goes to the Oil Pressure Switch, the Red Wire
    goes to the Alternator D+/61 Terminal. After that I forgwt the colors.
    One wire goes directly to the starter solenoid (B-Y I think). One wire
    goes to the thermal timer--it's in series with the cold start valve. It
    allows the cold start valve to inject if the temperature is below 40
    degrees and the starter is turning. So I guess one side of the thermal
    timer is B-Y and the other is white. The Cold start would be white on
    one side and black on the other (grounds on the manifold). The remaiing
    wire goes to the Auxilliary air valve and the control pressure
    regulator. Both have bimetallic strips that are heated by by switched B+
    from the ignition switch--I think the blue wire. The air valve closes
    with time and current as does the CPR. Both devices ground under the
    same screw on the cold start valve.

    To diagnose the hard start you need at least a test light to make some
    intelligent guesses. When the motor is spinning and not firing, connect
    the test light between the coil negative terminal and ground. If the
    light flashes then you have spark to the plugs. Pull a plug and see if
    it dry or wet. If it's dry then you are not getting fuel.

    Typically long cranking times are due to a loss of rest presure. This
    can occur if the fuel pressure accumulator (can next to the main fuel
    pump) is leaking or the line pressure regulator o-ring in the fuel
    distributor is leaking, or the in tank fuel pump is not working or the
    fuel pressure check valve in the main fuel pump is leaking (more
    noticeable on hot starts) or there an problem at the air flow pressure
    sensor switch (engine vacuum lifts the air flow sensor plate, opens the
    switch and allows the fuel pump to run). If you disconnect the plug at
    the switch the fuel pumps will run whenever the key is in the run
    position. Another common problem is that the Control Pressure regulator
    has failed and the control pressure is high. This causes the engine to
    be lean although typical symtoms would be a start and stall on intial
    start up attempts until the cold start valve stopped firing (usually
    three or four attempts) then long crank times and noticeable loss of
    power or low power when started. Much like the symptoms of a leaking
    fuel accumulator.

    If the plug is wet then you are not getting spark. Typical spark
    failures are: failure of the distributor pick up coil to send pulses to
    the ignition control unit (Often temperature sensitive) or the two wire
    lead from the distributor to the two pin connector going to the ignition
    control unit). Faulty distributor rotor, bad coil, bad ballast resistor,
    or bad ignition coil.

    Hope this helps.

    Bob
     
    Robert Dietz, Jan 7, 2005
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    KHanawalt Guest

    The wiring in '80s 240s was termed as "biodegradable" by Volvo aficianados.
    You can purchase a replacement harness, but it's a little expensive. You can
    get used ones from someone on the brickboard.com Volvo website. I think you
    have to remove the intake manifold to gain access to the wiring.

    If you're not having electrical problems, you may be able to get by with
    wrapping the exposed wires with electrical tape, but wiring elsewhere in the
    engine compartment is probably going to cause problems later.

    The cold-start problem is likely not electrical. There is a cold-start air
    valve bolted to the valve cover bolt on top of and in the middle of the engine
    between the head and the intake plenum. It has an elecrical connector and two
    rubber vacuum hoses connected to it. If this is not opening when cold, the
    car won't want to idle when cold and may die. Or it could be a cold-start
    injector that is supposed to richen the mixture during cold starts.'

    All kinds of info can be found on the brickboard if you're willing to search
    for it. Good luck!
    KennyH

    Horsepower is cheaper than therapy.
     
    KHanawalt, Jan 8, 2005
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    James Sweet Guest

    You don't *have* to, but it's less than a dozen bolts and makes life a lot
    easier so you may as well. Only downside is that you should replace the
    manifold gasket, though it does give you a nice excuse to do a really good
    cleaning of the throttle body.
     
    James Sweet, Jan 8, 2005
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