Do the 95-87 Volvo 850s side airbags NOT protect the head in a side impact?

Discussion in 'Volvo 850' started by The Diesel, Aug 13, 2004.

  1. The Diesel

    The Diesel Guest

    I was looking at this pic at the very bottom of this link at this site
    and I was surprised that the side airbag on the Volvo 850s seems to be
    ONLY a single chamber thorax side airbag.
    http://www.terc.org/volvoairbags.html
    I had always thought that it was a dual chamber side airbag that
    protects the head as well as the torso, but aparently I was wrong, and
    I guess only volvos that have side curtain airbags protect the head in
    a side impact.
    My dad refused to get a 99 S80 even though it was in the budget
    allowed because he said it had to be a car that was very close to our
    house and there were S80s in his budget about 50 to 100 miles away.
    I compromised and had almost settled on the MUCH cheaper 1995 850
    Turbo(even though I'm aware of the bad results of the 1998 S70 in the
    EuroNCAP front offset crash test and the S70 is basically the same as
    the 850 structurally).
    I think I may have to go for something like a 1998 Volkswagen Passat
    becuase maybe the side airbags on that car may protect the head.
    My parents even refuse to let me buy a car with my own money because I
    still live with them.
    If I could buy a car with my own money, then I'd buy a 2002 Saab-9-5
    since it does great in the NHTSA, IIHS, AND EuroNCAP tests for the
    driver and has a great injury rate as well.
     
    The Diesel, Aug 13, 2004
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  2. The Diesel

    James Sweet Guest


    Regardless of the style of airbags, I think most will agree that a '95 850
    is a significantly safer car than a Passat, I know I'd rather be in one. No
    amount of airbags can replace a well designed passenger cage.
     
    James Sweet, Aug 13, 2004
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  3. The Diesel

    Rob Guenther Guest

    Well the Passat is quite a good car too (unless the 98 is an old style
    Passat...) for impacts - VW's are safe cars... But didn't that style of 850
    even have a life insurace if you actually died in one?

    Also weren't they one of the first cars with the side airbags?

    "The Diesel" seems very VERY concerned with his own mortality in a car... I
    think he should be driving an Ambrahms tank.... very safe vehicle. You
    wouldn't even feel impacts.
     
    Rob Guenther, Aug 13, 2004
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  4. The Diesel

    James Sweet Guest

    Personally I would say he shouldn't be driving at all, if his own safety is
    of such great concern I have to wonder what his thoughts on the safety of
    others are.
     
    James Sweet, Aug 13, 2004
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  5. The Diesel

    Johan E Guest

    And I would seriously consider moving out if you cant by a car of your
    choice with yr own money..........
     
    Johan E, Aug 13, 2004
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  6. The Diesel

    R51reed Guest


    There is always the option of wearing a helment.

    I drive a 1990 745T. It has a driver's side airbag only. If the damn thing
    deploys, I'm going to put in a '89 steering wheel w/o the airbag and keep
    rolling. I feel that I would be safer in an older brick w/o an airbag, than
    many newer smaller cars with airbags all around. The most important thing
    about an accident is to avoid it in the first place. But, it's his money and
    his parents decision. Just my .02.

    Rolling down the road in my 1990 745T, 260K miles.

    BTW, before I started driving Volvos, I totaled 3 other cars, so I know a
    little bit about accidents from practical experience. The main thing I have
    noticed is that when I started driving my first Volvo, a 1975 245, other
    drivers on the road gave me MUCH more respect on the road. I am NEVER more
    afraid than when driving a friends Mitsi Mirage to the corner store.
     
    R51reed, Aug 13, 2004
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  7. The Diesel

    Rob Guenther Guest

    Volvo's give you that "king of the road" type feeling, lesser cars flee from
    the left hand lane and such... They're good.

    I'm thinking, new S40 next year.... but maybe I should save my money and get
    a T-5 850, I hope there are some un-violated ones out there. Kinda want a 4
    year warranty and 10 years out of the car tho...
     
    Rob Guenther, Aug 13, 2004
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  8. The Diesel

    James Sweet Guest

    For the really safety obsessed there's always the full roll cage, 5 point
    harness and a helmet. How many race cars have you seen that have airbags?
    I've seen videos of dozens of high speed crashes in rally races, most of the
    time the driver walks away.
     
    James Sweet, Aug 14, 2004
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  9. The Diesel

    James Sweet Guest

    I'd definitly go for the 850 T5, the S40 just doesn't do it for me, just
    doesn't feel like a Volvo. I'd love to have a T5-R wagon but those don't
    grow on trees, and as you say, it's hard to find one that hasn't been
    abused.
     
    James Sweet, Aug 14, 2004
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  10. The Diesel

    The Diesel Guest

    I myself would put the Passat in the same league as the 850/S70 in
    terms of safety.
    They have pretty similar injury rates and while the S70s do better
    than the Passat in side impacts, the Passats seem to do better in
    front and front offset crashes than the S70/850, and the Passats also
    actually have to have a stronger safety cage in the front offset test.
    The thing I'm afraid of is that I don't think that 1998-2000 Passats
    have head protecting Side Air Bags either, I think they probably just
    have torso protecting Thorax Side Airbags just like the 1995 850 to
    the 1998 S70.
    If I remember correctly, I think the 99 S70 was the first car in the
    850/S70 series that had a dual chamber side airbag that protected both
    the torso and the head. The IIHS website had info on which cars had
    HEAD PROTECTING side airbags on models as early as 2001, but
    unfortunately it had no info on years earlier than that.
    http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/side_airbag_01_02.htm#
    Sometimes you find pics on the net of the side airbags in action, an
    that's how I know for example that all Town Cars from 1999 onwards
    have HEAD PROTECTING side airbags.
    http://www.hwysafety.org/news_releases/1999/pr040699.htm

    The pic at the bottom also shows that 1998 and later BMW 5 series have
    head protecting side head airbags as well.
    http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/96029.htm

    Unfortunately I couldn't find any info or pics on the 1998/1999 Passat
    on if their side airbags protect the head or not.
    I know that the 2001 and later Passats have Side Curtain Airbags that
    protect the heads as well as seat mounted side thorax airbags.
    If I were to take a guess, I'd say that just like the 850, the
    1998-2000 Passats just have side THORAX airbags that don't protect the
    head.
    I wonder how much it would cost have the SIPS Bag system of the 1999
    S70 installed into an old 95 Volvo 850.

    I just wish I could see a video clip of an inside view of a side
    impact crash test of an 850 equipped with SIPS bags since that would
    help me determine if the it would be worth it to get an 850 or go for
    something else.
    I've seen a whole bunch of video clips of side impact crash test as
    well as side impact poll tests, and the most impressive I've ever seen
    was the poll test of the 1999 S80.
    I mean it was incredible how much more gentle the "bounce" of the head
    off of the side curtain airbag was compared to all the other crash
    videos I had seen of other cars.
     
    The Diesel, Aug 14, 2004
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  11. The Diesel

    Rob Guenther Guest

    I think being 20 something 5-10 years ago would have been much better then
    it is now.... There were a lot more cars that I would have liked to have,
    now they are all too old with too many KMs on them (VW Corrado new or 1 year
    old, 850 T-5... used one, 2-3 years old - off lease) I don't really like any
    of the cars in the $30K range, other then the new S40, the new Golf 5 (only
    in Europe now), and the Mini Cooper S (too damn small tho)... everything
    else is too much money.
     
    Rob Guenther, Aug 16, 2004
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  12. The Diesel

    Rob Guenther Guest

    Get the S80 then... what did the 1998 S90 have? Did they ever fit it with
    side airbags? Our 93' has SIPS and 2 airbags, really good for a car that
    old. 4 star side and 5 star front I think.
     
    Rob Guenther, Aug 16, 2004
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