Does Volvo sell a Diesel Car in North America?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Tmuldoon, Aug 10, 2007.

  1. My work truck has a 6.0L Cummins TDi and has great power on the open road,
    but calling it sluggish at low speeds is being way too kind. Sluggish cars
    leave it behind - I've actually had people honk at me when I was
    accelerating full throttle and gradually building enough speed for the boost
    to kick in.

    The truly awful diesel engines that appeared here in the 1970s have very
    effectively given diesels in passenger cars a bad name. The relatively
    primitive diesel engines used in light trucks here only reinforce the image
    of them being noisy, smelly, hard starting and sluggish. I understand the
    modulated injection common rail engines overcome many of those defects but
    the first of those to appear here will have to overcome the image problem
    that already exists.

    Hybrids are gaining ground rapidly and may starve out the market for diesel
    passenger cars in NA. Even the relatively weakly hybridized cars available
    today offer better fuel economy around town than comparable diesels (I get
    upper 40s MPG in town average, 55 or more in good weather) and are
    infinitely quieter and more responsive at low speeds.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Aug 15, 2007
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    John Horner Guest


    Ford's US truck diesels come from Navistar and are based on an old
    International Harvester V-8 gas engine design. Cummins makes diesel
    engines for Dodge and GM get's theirs from Isuzu.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Power_Stroke_engine

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummins_B_Series_engine
     
    John Horner, Aug 15, 2007
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  3. Michael Pardee, Aug 15, 2007
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    James Sweet Guest

    Well that's all fine and dandy, but the fact remains that the D5 was never
    sold anywhere in North America. You simply can't get one, so anything else
    is irrelevant.
     
    James Sweet, Aug 15, 2007
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    Joerg Lorenz Guest

    That says a lot about the American consumer and diesel cars in general
    and almost nothing about Volvo diesel cars. Last year I travelled a
    couple of thousand miles in Montana, Wyoming and Colorado. I never saw
    a diesel passenger car. Ford light-trucks but no pax cars of any make.

    During these long trips I wished I had my D5 with me. Huge fuel tank -
    not these ridiculously small fuel tanks in American cars and a decent
    consumption. Lately I drove from Switzerland to the Atlantic (600
    miles with fuel for another 50 miles) at speeds on highways of about
    90 to 95 miles whenever possible. The ride took less than 8 hours.

    American consumers don't like that kind of economics? Can't be true!
    Why is the American car industry sitting so deep in the s..t? and
    losing market share globaly and nationaly?

    I want to make one thing clear: I do not say Volvo is the only car
    maker with such good engines: Look to the French manufacturers, the
    Germans and even the Japanese recognised the need to produce diesel
    engines for the global market. Only America is standing aside.

    At least at the moment. But my contacts at European manufacturers of
    engine components tell me that the large American producers are
    sucking up all capacities of machine tools to manufacture diesel
    injection systems and new equipment aluminium casting systems. It is a
    fair guess that in about one to three years there will be a huge
    avalanche of new modern diesel cars reaching the North American
    markets.

    And again: I'm strongly convinced that the conventional gasoline
    engine has no future with its low efficiency and its high CO2 output
    except for special purposes.

    Joerg
     
    Joerg Lorenz, Aug 15, 2007
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    byrocat Guest

    I have to agree that the current crop of European diesel cars are not
    sluggish.

    I rented a brand new SAAB 95 diesel two years ago and drove all over
    Devon and Corwall (driveway of rental cottage went right unto a B road
    on a near-blind curve.)

    I noticed no problems with acceleration (had to tone down some starts
    because I started leaving rubber on the road.) and the mileage was
    terrific compared to my V40 back home (1000KM city/highway on a full
    48-liter tank, versus the 500-or-so on pure highway.)

    If Volvo markets a diesel, I'll be seriously considering it. (local
    Ikea store just put in parking spots for Hybrids.....)

    Still looking for a guide to retro-fitting a Vokswagon diesel into my
    V40.....
     
    byrocat, Aug 15, 2007
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    James Sweet Guest


    I fail to see what, they're not for sale, they can't be bought, what does
    that say about the consumer?

    Diesels got a bad reputation in cars because the domestic makers built so
    many horrible ones, the new ones are much better, but VW is the only
    manufacture I'm aware of in the US to offer a modern TDI and they sell
    pretty well in some areas. If Volvo would offer the D5 here, people would
    buy it but not everyone wants to drive a Volkswagen, and it will take a lot
    to get the bulk of the population interested enough to give them a try. The
    economy is simply not the same here, diesel fuel is more expensive than
    gasoline, the cars that use it are more expensive, maintenance is more
    expensive and harder to find, those things are not gonna change overnight.
     
    James Sweet, Aug 16, 2007
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    Mike Guest

    My experience with diesel sedan is very positive.

    About 10 yrs ago in Massachusetts I bought used Toyota Camry Turbo
    Diesel from Toyota dealer and enjoyed it for over 5 years. It was a
    great car, with over 40 miles/gallon and not a single problem. The only
    minor drawback was not all stations carried diesel fuel. That car was
    good performer, not noisier than gasoline cars, fare from being
    sluggish. I'm sure today's diesel cars are better than my Camry diesel
    designed in the last century.

    Pollution is significantly lower at sedan diesel compared to bus and
    truck diesel engines.

    If available, I would seriously consider Volvo sedan diesel.

    Mike
    '98 S70
     
    Mike, Aug 16, 2007
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