Flame trap removal 240

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by Tim McNamara, May 14, 2006.

  1. Tim McNamara

    Tim McNamara Guest

    The recent thread on flame traps and oil being blown through seals
    caused me pause. I've got oil blowing through the front seals, behind
    the water pump pulley and the lower pully from the looks of it. The
    odds are better that 50-50 that the flame trap is clogged. After much
    searching under the hood of my 1990 240, I think I've found it by
    tracing hoses to it (none of my manual actually show the location, and
    none have instructions for removal).

    How the heck do you get the danged thing out of there without removing
    the injector rail? Sheesh! And what was volvo thinking? This is a
    simple and important item, it ought to be trivial to access and replace.
     
    Tim McNamara, May 14, 2006
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  2. This is a plain text attachment. It should help.
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    http://freevision.org/michael/index.html

    There really needs to be a weekly FAQ posted here about the flame

    trap. On early nonturbo (the turbo doesn't have one) fours, it is

    located between the third and fourth branches of the intake manifold, a

    bit below the manifold. On '88 and later models, it is located in about

    the same place, but is a bit higher - a little above the manifold. It's

    a plastic "Y" or "T" - like junction, containing a plastic screen (I

    believe the turbo has the junction only). While the screen can be

    cleaned and reused, it is much easier to replace the whole unit - it's

    cheap. The two large hoses that connect to the trap just need a quick

    look to be sure they aren't blocked with gunk, while the small vacuum

    hose (that runs from the small (and fragile) plastic nipple on the trap

    to a small brass nipple on the intake manifold) should be replaced, or

    at least checked carefully for free airflow. The brass nipple should be

    unscrewed from the manifold, cleaned out, and replaced. The job takes

    from 45 to 90 minutes the first time, but should be much easier and

    quicker once you've done it once.

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    "Against ignorance, the Dogs themselves contend in vain."
     
    Michael Cerkowski, May 14, 2006
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  3. Tim McNamara

    Tim McNamara Guest

    Thank you. The question remains as to *how* to get the doggone thing
    out. I can't reach it from underneath the intake manifold because my
    ham-like hand won't fit, and I can't reach it from the top because the
    big fat tube attached up there leaves just about no space to get my
    fingers around it to grab it and yank it off.

    Can I check the flame trap without removing it? For example, if I pull
    the small rubber hose that runs from the small nipple on the trap to the
    brass nipple on the intake manifold, should there be positive pressure
    or a vacuum? Or could I not tell from this if the trap is blocked?

    Also, this small hose, which is rubber, seems a little bit deteriorated
    from oil and seems kind of smooshy. Is this just a standard piece of
    hose I can get at any auto parts store?
     
    Tim McNamara, May 15, 2006
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    James Sweet Guest


    You just need small hands and a fair amount of patience, it does come
    out though. IPD sells a relocation kit to move it up above the manifold
    as it's placed on later model 240s.
     
    James Sweet, May 16, 2006
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  5. Tim McNamara

    Tim McNamara Guest

    Well, I don't have small hands and patience is not abundant in my soul.
    :p But I did finally get the thing out and no sign of clogging
    whatsoever. How does one check the lower hose from the crankcase to the
    flame trap? It looks big enough that it oughtn't clog, but you never
    know.

    Thanks for the tip on the IPD kit, I'll look into that. This ought to
    be trivial, and it isn't. I'll have to peek under the hood of the
    wife's 1993 240 to see where it is there compared to my 1990.
     
    Tim McNamara, May 16, 2006
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  6. I wouldn't have thought so either, but mine did <8^P

    You can do a confidence test by removing the oil filler cap and hooking a
    piece of hose to the top of the flame trap housing. When you blow through
    the hose and through the crankcase the restriction should be a bit more than
    you'd expect from the hose, but not much. If it feels like you are blowing
    through a soda straw or worse, plan to remove the hose along with the
    oil/air separator box it connects to. (You're gonna wish you had small hands
    again! Maybe you can get a helper.) It is held by two bolts with 10mm heads,
    and needs to be coaxed up after that due to friction of the o-rings.
    Replacement is usually preferred to cleaning because it is hard to clean
    well.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, May 17, 2006
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  7. Tim McNamara

    Tim McNamara Guest

    Thanks for the idea. Jeez. looking down there, there is no way that I
    would have a hope of doing that job myself. One downside of being 6'4"
    is hands to match. Headroom is one of the reasons I drive a 240!
     
    Tim McNamara, May 18, 2006
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    jacktheboy Guest

    I tried to check for a clogged breather box while still attached to the
    engine. I think I got it here or on the Brickroad site. I have oil
    leaking from the front end (seals), above water pump.The flame trap
    hoses were checked out and found clear. The flame trap was removed and
    cleared. I know I have the leak, but I weanted to find the cause.
    Anyway, I drained oil, and puored Gunk engine flush through large hose
    on breather box. It flowed right through. Supposed to indicate clear
    box. If it goes slowly your supposed to pour through some carb
    cleaner and then try the more engine cleaner. After that I poured some
    of the old oil through the oil fill to run out some of what was left of
    the cleaners in the pan, then return plug and fill with oil.
    You do not need to remove the filter and I saved and reused my oil
    because I had just changed it, and its leaking pretty good so I have to
    keep adding to it. They recommend you do this prior to an oil change.
     
    jacktheboy, May 23, 2006
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    zencraps Guest

    " I have oil
    leaking from the front end (seals), above water pump."

    Sounds like front cam seal.

    I had one work itself loose, causing a major leak.

    An easy R&R, if you are mechanically inclined (need a torque wrench to
    retorgue the bolts holding down the cam and the valve cover).
     
    zencraps, May 23, 2006
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    John Horner Guest

    Those seals do not last forever. Most likely the seal has simply gotten
    too old to do it's job.

    I just replaced the three front seals on my '93 20 which doing a timing
    belt replacement. The cam seal and crank seal were both leaking.

    I got Elring replacement seals from eeuroparts.com very inexpensively.

    John
     
    John Horner, May 25, 2006
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