Volvo 240dl A/C - Freeze12 Conversion...

[Stuart Cianos]

Hi -

I'm the proud owner of a 1986 Volvo 240dl, 87k miles, automatic. My A/C has
not been cooling for some time, and I'd like to get it recharged before the
next summer heat comes around.

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with Freeze 12 conversions.
To upgrade the system to R134 would run me around $1,600 US. I've heard that
you can convert to Freeze 12 for around $300, and that it is EPA certified
for use in cars.

Also, does anyone know of a reputable place in the San Francisco/San Jose
Bay Area that does this type of conversion?

Thank you in advance for any responses and help!

- Stu

 

[Dave Shannon]

Hi -

I'm the proud owner of a 1986 Volvo 240dl, 87k miles, automatic. My A/C has
not been cooling for some time, and I'd like to get it recharged before the
next summer heat comes around.

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with Freeze 12 conversions.
To upgrade the system to R134 would run me around $1,600 US. I've heard that
you can convert to Freeze 12 for around $300, and that it is EPA certified
for use in cars.

I did it on my '84 non turbo wagon, it works very well. Sorry I can't help
with a shop, but a Volvo kit to replace everything you need for R-134 is
only ~$250 and a couple of hours work, you may want to shop around.
Dave Shannon
daveshan_at_spamsoneonelse_cox.net (Spring Valley CA)
1988 240 DL 19X,XXX
1984 245 DL 20X,XXX
1984 245T 19X,XXX
'01 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 14K
http://www.homestead.com/volvo2/

 

[James Sweet]

Hi -

I'm the proud owner of a 1986 Volvo 240dl, 87k miles, automatic. My A/C has
not been cooling for some time, and I'd like to get it recharged before the
next summer heat comes around.

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with Freeze 12 conversions.
To upgrade the system to R134 would run me around $1,600 US. I've heard that
you can convert to Freeze 12 for around $300, and that it is EPA certified
for use in cars.

How can it possibly cost $1600? I converted my AC to R134a, granted it's a
700 series, but very similar system to the 240's, it was under $200 and took
me about 4 hours, if you don't have access to a vacuum pump you could have
it charged by an AC shop, but you're still looking at under $300, worst case
under $500 if you have them do all the work. Call around.

 

[Bev A. Kupf]

How can it possibly cost $1600? I converted my AC to R134a, granted it's a
700 series, but very similar system to the 240's, it was under $200 and took
me about 4 hours, if you don't have access to a vacuum pump you could have
it charged by an AC shop, but you're still looking at under $300, worst case
under $500 if you have them do all the work. Call around.

Does that price ($1600) include a new evaporator? There's a lot of labor
involved in getting it under the dash. If it doesn't include one, that's
a rip-off. When I had my AC converted to R134a (on a 700 series) about
5 - 6 years ago, it was $375.

Beverly

 

[James Sweet]

Does that price ($1600) include a new evaporator? There's a lot of labor
involved in getting it under the dash. If it doesn't include one, that's
a rip-off. When I had my AC converted to R134a (on a 700 series) about
5 - 6 years ago, it was $375.

That's a good point, perhaps it does, when I did mine I used the existing
evaporator and it worked fine, perhaps if you live in an area with very hot
summers you'd want to look into that, but then the 240 AC system is marginal
at best, even when working to factory spec.

 

[Joe]

I am not sure what Freeze 12 is I have had nothing but bad experiences with
R12 replacement gases all that I have done and seen done have had
catastrophic compressor failures within two years, in Australia we have a
LPG based gas to replace R12 also but my concern and others in the AC trade
is the flammability of it, it does work well though.The only long term
conversion in my mind is R134a but it shouldn't cost that much. but seeing
that your system is not operating this price probably includes a compressor
and flushing or some other major item ask exactly what the conversion price
includes.
Joe

 

[volvowrench]

That's a good point, perhaps it does, when I did mine I used the existing
evaporator and it worked fine, perhaps if you live in an area with very hot
summers you'd want to look into that, but then the 240 AC system is marginal
at best, even when working to factory spec.

The Volvo kit updates the A/C to the YM 90- system, I.e. The 240 version
of the 740 system, (flooded evaporator, orifice tube and accumulator
instead of the old Chrysler expansion valve and receiver-drier system).

For early systems Freeze 12 will just drop in--there's no conversion
involved.

Bob

 

[Stuart Cianos]

Hi -

The compressor is running quite noisily and therefore that price did include
a new compressor, and possibly a new evaporator... Than you everyone for all
your help -- it's been really helpful!

Just curious, does anyone know of a good shop in the San Francisco/San Jose
Bay Area in general for A/C work?

- Stu