Any reason that an experienced brakes specialist could replace pads on my 240DL ?

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Sam Noble

I have used a local, well though of, Volvo service shop for years.
Recently my schedule has changed, due to caring for my mom, and can no
longer bring the car in at the crack of dawn.

Thus I cannot seem to get an availability in the afternoon from my
usual shop. I put new rotors on the car (86 - 240 DL) about 2 years
ago. I expect that all I want to do is replace the brake pads.

There is another guy, close to me, who does brakes only and has been
doing brakes for 18 years.

I have the new brake pads, which I bought at FCP Groton along with the
Teflon Shim Set and Hardware Kit. I can always add more parts if
needed.

I expect that my master cylinder is ok.,and there could be some brake
fluid replacement, which would be ok with me.

Obviously getting a brake job done right is important, but is, in your
opinion, there a necessity in sticking with a Volvo specialist shop to
do the brakes, rather than the brakes specialist mechanic ? Is there
the need for Volvo trained service guys to do the Volvo brake pad
replacement ?

If a service guy has lots of years of experience on brakes, and is not
a kid who is learning and trying to gain experience, is there a
special element that the Volvo tech would be familiar with and others
would not, and thus a reason why I could not go to the nearby brakes
specialist ?

Thanks.
 
Sam said:
I cannot seem to get an availability in the afternoon from my
usual shop.
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There is another guy, close to me, who does brakes only and has been
doing brakes for 18 years.
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If a service guy has lots of years of experience on brakes, and is not
a kid who is learning and trying to gain experience, is there a
special element that the Volvo tech would be familiar with and others
would not, and thus a reason why I could not go to the nearby brakes
specialist ?
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A suitably trained monkey could change brake pads. You're asking if
someone with 18 years experience can be trusted to do it right?
 
A suitably trained monkey could change brake pads. You're asking if
someone with 18 years experience can be trusted to do it right?
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Sorry, I am not as familiar with the process as I am with other
activities. 'Just want to make sure my brakes don't fail me at some
inopportune time. The other componenets of the inspection of the
brakes SYSTEM, as a whole, would not necessarily require a Volvo tech
, would it ? tks.
 
Sam said:
Sorry, I am not as familiar with the process as I am with other
activities. 'Just want to make sure my brakes don't fail me at some
inopportune time. The other componenets of the inspection of the
brakes SYSTEM, as a whole, would not necessarily require a Volvo tech
, would it ? tks.
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Anyone with 18 years experience should be able to diagnose and repair
virtually all braking system problems. The only likely issue might be
where someone has 18 years on cars but doesn't know much about
commercial vehicles (or vice-versa). If they can't fix a problem they
should, hopefully, be honest enough to say so and recommend someone who can.

Bear in mind that this is his livelihood. If he gets it wrong he risks
losing that and a whole lot more. There will be cowboys around but most
wouldn't last 18 years.

Just a thought - how do you know he has 18 years experience? If you have
any doubts about the accuracy of this (he can tell you anything but that
doesn't make it true) it would be sensible to go elsewhere.
 
Sorry, I am not as familiar with the process as I am with other
activities. 'Just want to make sure my brakes don't fail me at some
inopportune time. The other componenets of the inspection of the
brakes SYSTEM, as a whole, would not necessarily require a Volvo tech
, would it ? tks.
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Volvo 240 brakes are among the simplest to work with of any car I've
done brakes on. I'm not sure how a brake shop could possibly screw that
up assuming they have any idea at all of what they're doing.
 
I have used a local, well though of, Volvo service shop for years.
Recently my schedule has changed, due to caring for my mom, and can no
longer bring the car in at the crack of dawn.

Thus I cannot seem to get an availability in the afternoon from my
usual shop. I put new rotors on the car (86 - 240 DL) about 2 years
ago. I expect that all I want to do is replace the brake pads.

There is another guy, close to me, who does brakes only and has been
doing brakes for 18 years.

I have the new brake pads, which I bought at FCP Groton along with the
Teflon Shim Set and Hardware Kit. I can always add more parts if
needed.

I expect that my master cylinder is ok.,and there could be some brake
fluid replacement, which would be ok with me.

Obviously getting a brake job done right is important, but is, in your
opinion, there a necessity in sticking with a Volvo specialist shop to
do the brakes, rather than the brakes specialist mechanic ? Is there
the need for Volvo trained service guys to do the Volvo brake pad
replacement ?

If a service guy has lots of years of experience on brakes, and is not
a kid who is learning and trying to gain experience, is there a
special element that the Volvo tech would be familiar with and others
would not, and thus a reason why I could not go to the nearby brakes
specialist ?

Thanks.
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The only reason to take it to the Volvo guy is that by doing profitable
work like brake jobs he'll be there later to do the service you need
that won't be available elsewhere.

Bob
 
Sam said:
If a service guy has lots of years of experience on brakes, and is not
a kid who is learning and trying to gain experience, is there a
special element that the Volvo tech would be familiar with and others
would not, and thus a reason why I could not go to the nearby brakes
specialist ?
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There is nothing special about putting new brake pads on a 240.

John
 
Sam Noble said:
I have used a local, well though of, Volvo service shop for years.
Recently my schedule has changed, due to caring for my mom, and can no
longer bring the car in at the crack of dawn.

Thus I cannot seem to get an availability in the afternoon from my
usual shop. I put new rotors on the car (86 - 240 DL) about 2 years
ago. I expect that all I want to do is replace the brake pads.

There is another guy, close to me, who does brakes only and has been
doing brakes for 18 years.

I have the new brake pads, which I bought at FCP Groton along with the
Teflon Shim Set and Hardware Kit. I can always add more parts if
needed.

I expect that my master cylinder is ok.,and there could be some brake
fluid replacement, which would be ok with me.

Obviously getting a brake job done right is important, but is, in your
opinion, there a necessity in sticking with a Volvo specialist shop to
do the brakes, rather than the brakes specialist mechanic ? Is there
the need for Volvo trained service guys to do the Volvo brake pad
replacement ?

If a service guy has lots of years of experience on brakes, and is not
a kid who is learning and trying to gain experience, is there a
special element that the Volvo tech would be familiar with and others
would not, and thus a reason why I could not go to the nearby brakes
specialist ?

Thanks.
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In response to a question that was never asked... I'll never use aftermarket
pads on a Volvo again.

I bought DanBlok (who actually make the OEM pads for Volvo 700 series cars),
and they SUCKED... they made so much noise (squealing). Horrible.

These were on brand new Brembo rotors (the only aftermarket part I would buy
for brakes). I couldn't fix the squeal with compound or shims, so I ripped
them out after 10K kms and installed Volvo OEM pads. Very quiet, and
excellent stopping ability.
 
Sam Noble said:
I have used a local, well though of, Volvo service shop for years.
Recently my schedule has changed, due to caring for my mom, and can no
longer bring the car in at the crack of dawn.

Thus I cannot seem to get an availability in the afternoon from my
usual shop. I put new rotors on the car (86 - 240 DL) about 2 years
ago. I expect that all I want to do is replace the brake pads.

There is another guy, close to me, who does brakes only and has been
doing brakes for 18 years.

I have the new brake pads, which I bought at FCP Groton along with the
Teflon Shim Set and Hardware Kit. I can always add more parts if
needed.

I expect that my master cylinder is ok.,and there could be some brake
fluid replacement, which would be ok with me.

Obviously getting a brake job done right is important, but is, in your
opinion, there a necessity in sticking with a Volvo specialist shop to
do the brakes, rather than the brakes specialist mechanic ? Is there
the need for Volvo trained service guys to do the Volvo brake pad
replacement ?

If a service guy has lots of years of experience on brakes, and is not
a kid who is learning and trying to gain experience, is there a
special element that the Volvo tech would be familiar with and others
would not, and thus a reason why I could not go to the nearby brakes
specialist ?

Thanks.
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That and bringing parts TO a mechanic is a no-no.
 
M.R.S. said:
In response to a question that was never asked... I'll never use aftermarket
pads on a Volvo again.

I bought DanBlok (who actually make the OEM pads for Volvo 700 series cars),
and they SUCKED... they made so much noise (squealing). Horrible.

These were on brand new Brembo rotors (the only aftermarket part I would buy
for brakes). I couldn't fix the squeal with compound or shims, so I ripped
them out after 10K kms and installed Volvo OEM pads. Very quiet, and
excellent stopping ability.
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I haven't used Volvo pads in over 30 years.
They suck and dust too much. Soft pads don't make too much noise but
they wear too damned fast. I went through the pads on my '03 XC in about
25,000 miles. It's now over 55,000 and the pads that I had put on are
still over half unworn...PLUS, my front rims aren't black with dust
after two days out of the car wash.
 
M.R.S. said:
That and bringing parts TO a mechanic is a no-no.
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Uhhh, yeah, right. And if an independent mechanic is getting his parts
from a parts store that's getting those wonderful Chinese timing
belts??? I've never had a problem with bringing a part in to a
mechanic. When I was in L.A. the Volvo / Saab mech. couldn't get the
right part from the parts place that he was doing business with...an
oxygen sensor. They said that the job would take about three hours.
When I couldn't get the car back on the third day, I finally brought in
the sensor that I had laying around the garage and had them install it.
Independent mechanics usually get the cheapest parts that they can lay
their hands on combined with the most markup.
On my old Mustang, when I had my trans fluid changed all that they had
was Dexron...no type F. I've gone through that before, believe me. I
went and bought my own fluid. Sure, they didn't pump it out of a 30
gallon drum and it took more time but it preserved my trans.
 
M.R.S. said:
In response to a question that was never asked... I'll never use aftermarket
pads on a Volvo again.

I bought DanBlok (who actually make the OEM pads for Volvo 700 series cars),
and they SUCKED... they made so much noise (squealing). Horrible.

These were on brand new Brembo rotors (the only aftermarket part I would buy
for brakes). I couldn't fix the squeal with compound or shims, so I ripped
them out after 10K kms and installed Volvo OEM pads. Very quiet, and
excellent stopping ability.
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I have been putting Raybestos QuiteStop pads on my Volvo 850 as well as
several other makes of cars with excellent results.


John
 
M.R.S. said:
That and bringing parts TO a mechanic is a no-no.
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That all depends on the mechanic and the situation. I have certainly
done so in the past with the prior agreement of the mechanic and it was
no sweat.

John
 
Administrator said:
Uhhh, yeah, right. And if an independent mechanic is getting his parts
from a parts store that's getting those wonderful Chinese timing belts???
I've never had a problem with bringing a part in to a mechanic. When I was
in L.A. the Volvo / Saab mech. couldn't get the right part from the parts
place that he was doing business with...an oxygen sensor. They said that
the job would take about three hours. When I couldn't get the car back on
the third day, I finally brought in the sensor that I had laying around
the garage and had them install it.
Independent mechanics usually get the cheapest parts that they can lay
their hands on combined with the most markup.
On my old Mustang, when I had my trans fluid changed all that they had was
Dexron...no type F. I've gone through that before, believe me. I went
and bought my own fluid. Sure, they didn't pump it out of a 30 gallon
drum and it took more time but it preserved my trans.
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The Volvo shop I deal with typically stocks OEM parts, which isn't cheap.
They sell the OEM parts for a little less than a Volvo dealership. They are
an independent shop.

Most shops make their money by selling parts. Some shops use good stuff.
Most of the places I've dealt with use good quality parts, because they
don't want to see you back for repeat/free/warranty work. However, you're
right, you never know.

I don't know what a Chinese timing belt looks like, my car has a chain ;)..
(B280F and still running strong after 300K kms!)
 
Back to the original question, eh? Volvo brakes are nothing weird or
unique, and any experienced mechanic should be able to do the job.
 
Tim McNamara said:
Back to the original question, eh? Volvo brakes are nothing weird or
unique, and any experienced mechanic should be able to do the job.
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Ah yes, back to your question.

They are quite simple. Yes. As long as the caliper sliders are lubricated
and everything is checked over (if you drive in a salty area, check the
pistons, etc..).

Full brake system inspection is a good thing, hoses. But sure, they are
simple enough. My system is Bendix, so basically nothing new/special. (ATE
in the rear).

Hope that helps.
 
Thanks to those who helped. I did have the fellow (with the 18 years
of experience ) do the job. He let me watch, as close as I wanted, and
it is indeed a simple overall job. I bought and he used specific non
OEM pads, which were recommended to me and they feel best ever. In
retrospect it silly of me to consider that it is/was a Volvo tech only
job, but now I know. One considerable advantage of the fellow who did
the job is that he had a professional car lift, rather than jack
stands, which I would have to use. Thanks again.


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Sam Noble said:
Thanks to those who helped. I did have the fellow (with the 18 years
of experience ) do the job. He let me watch, as close as I wanted, and
it is indeed a simple overall job. I bought and he used specific non
OEM pads, which were recommended to me and they feel best ever. In
retrospect it silly of me to consider that it is/was a Volvo tech only
job, but now I know. One considerable advantage of the fellow who did
the job is that he had a professional car lift, rather than jack
stands, which I would have to use. Thanks again.
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Don't be surprised if you get brake squeal. The stock Volvo pads are a
compromise between good wear and no squeal. Most after-market pads wear
better but squeal.

Did the mechanic apply the anti-squeal grease on the back of the pads?
Did the mechanic replace the spring which pushes the pads back from the
rotor?

For something as cheap as brake pads and as important, I prefer the
best. So do my neighbors who don't want to hear my brakes squeal every
time I come home.
 
Stephen said:
Don't be surprised if you get brake squeal. The stock Volvo pads are a
compromise between good wear and no squeal. Most after-market pads wear
better but squeal.

Did the mechanic apply the anti-squeal grease on the back of the pads?
Did the mechanic replace the spring which pushes the pads back from the
rotor?

For something as cheap as brake pads and as important, I prefer the
best. So do my neighbors who don't want to hear my brakes squeal every
time I come home.
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I've had good luck with PBR Deluxe pads, though even they will squeel
sometimes. The most important part there is to use a good coat of
anti-squeel compound, the metal shims seem to help too.
 
Sam said:
Thanks to those who helped. I did have the fellow (with the 18 years
of experience ) do the job. He let me watch, as close as I wanted, and
it is indeed a simple overall job. I bought and he used specific non
OEM pads, which were recommended to me and they feel best ever. In
retrospect it silly of me to consider that it is/was a Volvo tech only
job, but now I know. One considerable advantage of the fellow who did
the job is that he had a professional car lift, rather than jack
stands, which I would have to use. Thanks again.
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It helps to keep two things in mind: Volvo, being a fairly small car
company, used lots of standard European and even Asian parts in their
cars.
That includes several kinds of brakes, and their automatic
transmissions.
Also, they designed models up to and including the 240 and 700 series to
be easy to work on. Except for the 240 ventilation fan. You really don't
want
to replace *that* yourself.


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